Episode 5 - Discussing Motorcycles Features and Tech

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In this episode Mitch and Gleb share their thoughts and discuss the various features and tech added to motorcycles throughout the years.

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Hi, and welcome back to the two Dudes Talking Motorcycles podcast. I am dude number one this time my name is Mitch and I am dude number two the same. And my name is Gleb and you can find us on socials. You can find me at @gleblapham on Instagram and I mine is @meech2dbeech. Yeah, that's my whole handle.

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We will be launching a Instagram to the thing. We're talking about Instagram. We're going to be launching a Instagram page for the podcast as well. Once Instagram wants to work with that, some reason we're having issues with it. Yeah, but yeah, welcome and thank you for listening again. This is our fifth episode, so and our numbers of listeners are keep going up and up, which we're very thankful and happy about.

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Yeah, it's awesome. Like we're actually really close to like a thousand plays total. All right, now, just I, I didn't see that coming. I didn't see that coming, especially not after five episodes. Yeah. So that's crazy. But honestly, thank you though for like, oh, here, there's interest in it. Like, you know, again, if you have any comments, definitely let us know.

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But really thank thank you. Thank you so much because this podcast is a lot of fun. It is a lot of fun. Yeah. So yeah. So today our main topic is going to be we're going to be talking about kind of like features on motorcycles that have appeared over the years and then become have become like went from being luxury to standard.

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We kind of just got this idea while filming our last episode because there's so many features that you have to usually pay extra for and you know, or get it only on the higher end models. But now they've trickled down to your lower end or your starter models, and so many of them are like, are just there without you having to pay anything extra.

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Yeah. And that's, it's just gonna be like a nice, like more of a discussion rather than like list I guess. I think because like some of it's going to be more about like what's required by law, you know, with some like regulation I guess stuff, you know, at least in the US like with abs and things like that.

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So they just like what's considered standard for like Yeah, like what's considered standard nowadays. So yeah, you know, so but before we do that, before we do that, as always, we'll jump into the news and first I have some very fun news, but before even that, we have some actual news instead of me riding a new motorcycle, and that is Buell you know, the brand that I kind of forgot about for a while.

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Yeah, but apparently they're kind of trying to reemerge back into the market and area, merging with one of the most popular things on the market right now, which is adventure bikes. So they announce their dual super touring 1100, which is Bill's Adventure Bike. And I got a picture for right here for anybody that's watching on YouTube. It kind of reminds me a little bit of the Harley Pan America, the square shape, but I do kind of like the headline.

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I really like the color scheme there. Yeah, it's different cause like the the Panamerican, I think is like it looks like more top heavy, but this looks like more boxy around it all for weight. And for anyone that's listening to this instead of watching, it's kind of got this black and orange color scheme and it kind of and this quad looking like headline.

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It kind of makes it look like it's something like pretty cool character. Yeah, it looks it's got a monoshock in the rear and an absolute unit of a swingarm. Look at that. Yeah, Yeah. So that's pretty big for us. Yeah, it's massive. Very massive. So I was looking at the motorcycle news, the other day for this and I came across this and I was like, Okay, an adventure bike.

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That's pretty cool. So some of the just a So Buell hasn't revealed a full spec sheet, so there's no word on the kind of suspension, the brakes that it's going to have. Oh, sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you. Look at the size of that disc on that front tire. Again, for the audio listeners like this disc, I can't.

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It looks like the brake. One of the calipers. Yeah, you're right. This disc is like, almost as broad. Like the thumb is the size of the tire. Yeah, Yeah. We all know the wheel. Yeah. It's like the same circumference or so. Yeah, yeah. It's so look it up. It's. It's kind of cool looking. What's it called again? The Buell Super touring.

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1100. Okay. Nine 1190, 1100. That's that. The name is 1100. I'm sorry. So it's an 1190 cc v-twin. So that's the size of the engine and the only specs the release is the torque and horsepower figures which are promising 185 horsepower, which is insane and ¬£102 ft of torque. So this bike sounds like it's going to go fast.

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Yes, I would. Just by judging by those two specs, I feel like it's going to be really nice on the highway because you're going to be you have so much headroom to pass and to keep up highway speed and stuff. And it looks like it's kind of made like looks very pretty fair. So really, just so I can clarify, cause I forgot to ask before we started, is this so is this a concept art or is this the model for the, for the picture?

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Both users. I'm not sure if the pictures are the prototype or the production model, but they are. They did announce, I think this is actually what the production model is going to be okay looking like, because they announced the concept in 2022 and now they're announced are going to be reveal are releasing it in 2025 I believe and this is what Bill CEO Bill Melvin had to say about it the bill super touring 1190 is a next level, touring bike with designs that will bring excitement back to American touring motorcyclists, motorcycles.

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Plus, in spite of supply chain headwinds, it's on target for for production to start this fall. So I would assume that this is what the production model is going to look like or very close to it. Yeah, And you know, I really caught my eye because I thought it looked pretty cool, like at Sky, I like this mean face and it looks like it can go a long distance without without like, getting tired.

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It I'm actually got me something really curious about that. That desk in the front. Yeah. I wonder what that is. So maybe once they reveal a full spec sheet, we can revisit our touch bar. Touch a touch up on that again and figure out what that is. Yeah. And they did reveal. So it's going to be a 2025 model model year and it's going to start at 21, 19 95 USD.

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So fairly I feel like that's a fairly common price tag for a touring bike with that size of engine and yeah, for kind of a two then purpose, I feel like that's in the ballpark with, you know, your GTS is multistrada as all of those and I got that from right. A part dot com just kind of slider little sources there.

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Yeah. And speaking of Ducati Multistrada I got to ride one today and also buy the glove. It was an amazing bike. My God it was the most Ducati Multistrada v4 S So this is basically the top of the line, fully decked out $27,000 model. And good lord, it is fast. This is a very fast bike and it just hauls ass without thinking about it.

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And not only is it fast, it's feels so refined, so comfortable. Well, one of my favorite things is the TFT on it was so responsive, like the the tachometer, it just flowed like smoothly. I feel like it almost has like a 120 hertz refresh rate, just like it was just like soft, buttery, smooth. And the controls were very responsive and it was crystal clear.

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I was like, This is one of the best. TFT I've probably seen, and I feel like it's way better than the even the one that I have on my triumph. But it was a phenomenal bike and they got to ride it for about 10 to 15 minutes, but it just hauled ass and it handled that very, very well and it was just a super comfortable bike, especially once you put into sport mode that thing just reps and it just wants to keep going because there's so much power.

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For those that are wondering, it has 170 horsepower. That is the most powerful bike I've ever ridden so far. And it's insane. It's it looks comfortable too. It was very comfortable. Those look really comfortable. Yeah. The seat was nice and cushy. It was wide enough. It felt pretty much on par with the seats of other big adventure bikes like the Tiger 1200 and the BMW GTS, which I feel like probably has like the most comfortable seat I've ever sat on.

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I feel like it came close, but I feel like the GTS is still like just a tiny bit more cushy. Maybe it like brakes and because this bike only had like 90 something miles on it. So maybe after a while I'll break in a little bit and become a little more cushy. But it was an amazing bike. And man, shout out to your sports, Utah and Morgan over at your sports Utah for some of the up on the ride on that thing.

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Yeah I think at this point pretty much every episode we have with a obligatory like thank you very much I mean they're really cool about us. Yeah, there have been some pretty helpful demos, some bikes for the last like three episodes. We at least one of us has gotten something and the other bike that I got to demo two was a Desert X, which you never gotten to go to, and you're here to also rain its praises.

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Yeah, I will say it's it's a bit of a contrast between the desert X and the Multistrada because the multistrada just feels like this machine made for like carving through air. If you just look at it, it looks very aerodynamic, it looks like an arrow and it's really just pierced the air through and just keep up that speed and it does it in a very smooth and like very like just smooth and refined way.

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Now the desert X, what I felt like is a very good contrast to that. It's still a very like refined bike, but it doesn't feel quite as smooth. But I don't think that's in a bad way. It just feels like it's more rough. It's got a grumble to it, it feels more rugged. It feels like it's more like like almost slapped together, but like very carefully slapped together.

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It's like you're it's like, like slapping something together, but in a particular way for it to look and feel a certain way. And that's what I felt like about the Desert X. I also really loved the exhaust note on that. It's a really is a really nice sounding bike there. There are El twins there. Just every time I would let go of the throttle, I just hear those little pops coming out of the exhaust and it just sounded fantastic.

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Yeah, well, I guess that's one thing I remember with that bike the most is just like, I was shocked that, like, I never ran out of power either. Like that. It just has has enough pull, like, through the entire power band no matter what gear. Absolutely it was. And it felt very good to ride. It felt absolutely good to ride.

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I purchased semi knobby tires. It still feels really good on the road. I just you can fling it back and forth so. Well, yeah. And what I liked is I liked how basically just how you feel whereas was expecting before getting on it because it has that fixed windscreen on. I was really worried about like, you know I'm a taller per some six foot one.

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I like so many motorcycles, I have to lift the windscreen up pretty much to the max. So there's a buffet on my head. And on this one I didn't feel too much. It was a very smooth, like current of air coming through. So that made me feel pretty good. That's cool. I was worried like non adjustable screen. It might be a little bit weird, but no one plus that wide fuel tank on it kept a lot of the air off my off my legs.

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Yeah. The wind must not have been a problem for me because I can't even remember. Yeah. So I think experience, I think they designed that bike really, really well. I think my only like tiny little gripe is on the TFT. Some of the fonts for like the, like the trip meter and stuff like that. They're kind of tiny and like, you really have to kind of like look for them when you're looking at the TFT.

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I feel like if it was like a little bit bigger for you, I like it a little bit more. But the important stuff on like your eye or RPMs, your gear that you're in and your speed, all right, they're easy to see. So that's the important part and that's awesome. Yeah, it was, it was a really good that's a really fun bike.

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And I feel like I'll just touch up on how it compares to the Tiger 900 real quick since they're kind of there. Yeah, actually, I kind of like competing with one another a little bit. Yeah. I feel like the tiger my tiger's like feels a little bit better at higher speeds because I did take the desert ex on the freeway as well.

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So I hit about like 75 miles an hour ads or so on it. And it did feel like it's a little bit more like you got to you kind of have to like put a little bit more effort to like keeping it steady on the desert. X On the desert X. Yeah. And I don't think that's the fault of the bike or anything like that.

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It's just I think it's just like the characteristics of it. That's how it is. Like it feels a little bit more round. I think you might be a little spoiled because you know, those, those triumph triple engines are going to be there. They are going to be a little smoother. Yeah, between the three. And it wasn't just the engine smoothness.

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I kind of felt like the tiger was a bit more stable on the freeway. And I think it's. Oh, yeah. And I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, I think I attributed that to the tires. But it could be, it could've been. I do I like fairly knobby ish tires on mine too. Yeah. My tiger. Yeah. But it just feels like the tiger kind of like carves through the air a little bit better than the desert X, but not by much.

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The desert X is still like 100% doable on the highway. Yeah, I think it's like totally fine. It has cruise control, it's got all the good features. Same with the Multistrada that had even more features. And I think and I didn't get to try this part out too much, but one of my favorite things from both the Ducati is that I tried today is the fact that you can customize each setting so much.

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You can fine tune the suspension, the engine break in the wheelie control, the traction control and the amounts you want it into in all the different settings, not just like one user mode, but each setting you can kind of fine tune how you wanted to do and what you wanted to do. And I think that's great and I wish more motorcycles would do that, especially kind of like a nut and that price range and then that thing, because how isn't the Ducati X a higher price than the Tiger 900?

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I think it's a little bit more expensive, but not by much. I think it's I think it's like rally pro price like 18 or so. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, like 18 or so. I don't know what package levels they have for it either. Yeah, but this one was equipped with a quick, quick shifter. It did not have heated grips, the resurrected or not, but the multistrada that name was fully loaded, had adaptive cruise control.

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That's cool. That's like I think it's one of the first bikes that got it. That and the the BMW the big the K 1600 that they have. Yeah Cruise adaptive cruise control heated seat heated grips electric suspension like phone connectivity everything. Yeah it was a fantastic bike. I'm excited for you to ride it. See what I'm going to do.

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I'm just gonna to it out next week or something because. Yeah that's you know talk to that talk about on the next podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it is a phenomenal bike and I, I can see what, like I can see why people buy new cars like we're singing the praises of bikes that like people already know or, or something.

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Right. But we never ridden them before. Oh yeah. So now we know. And if you haven't ridden one, you should probably go try it out. Yeah, they're really definitely like that. Multistrada. I was like, if I was shopping for a big biker bike like that, that would be a strong contender. And I can see why people like do Cardi Because those bikes feel good.

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Yeah, I think like after opening up train more bikes and stuff now it's like, I think like if I was to get like a something, a tour of the country with like seriously tour with like yeah, I love my bike that I have now, of course. But like, but it, it really, it's not a long distance tour. Yeah.

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You know, I mean I could do it, you could tour with any bike if you really want to. But the Ducati seems to have all like the comfy features that it does. And just like all the other big bikes and hopefully one day I want it, one day we'll get to we'll get a chance to maybe try out all three of the big European and something we could rent your bike back to back to see which one we feel like does the best job now.

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Not really the best because we can't take them like, well, there's no trip or anything, but the best thing that's like 30 minutes of demo time that we can get. I'm sure they're all great, but maybe even just like the sense of how they compare to each other, not that one's bad necessarily, you know, but I think it'd just be cool to like, like you said, compare it to see what how, how different, how similar they are.

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Yeah. Because they're all within the same price point, within the same power. I think the GTS probably has the lowest amount of power, but I think probably the tractor. Yeah. Yeah. I think that they've got a lot talk torque. Yeah. That's so cool. Cool. I do want to listen to the next our main topic. Yeah, I think I could probably handle that a little more.

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Yeah. Like I said, you know, we're gonna be talking about like features of bikes and just kind of that discussion of, like, you know, like what some what's on or what isn't on older bikes and what we've been seeing becomes more and more standard. You know, like I, you know, I didn't get my, my bike until like Yeah well yeah 2020 obviously.

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Yeah. But the, but even then I was shopping for my bike like and it could have been my price point but like it's pretty bare bones. Yeah. Rebel Yeah. Same with buying your bike, right? Yeah. And now that I'm saying, like, it's 20, 23 and even even last year, 2022, you were saying these bikes are just like, like, oh, it's got cruise control, it's got this, you know, I'm like, yeah, this is more your stuff is more standardized now I feel like I feel like it's and it's not even necessarily like because cruise control, obviously an absence has been around for a long time, you know, traction control, all this stuff.

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But it just seems like they're more and more available on different on different models. And yeah, there's like a wider spread of these features. I agree. I was going to say like it's kind of cool seeing because motorcycles just sort of basically like, like a bicycle with an engine and Yeah, and over the years, you know, the got bigger engines, fatter tires, better suspension, beefier frames, carburetor carburetors, fuel injection.

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And even if you look back to like the early 2000s a lot of bikes or carburetors yeah you know how fuel injection or anything like that they were pretty I think yeah they were still like very mechanical and not too many electronics involved and things like that. But the higher models, they started getting those features probably much sooner.

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Yeah. Oh, what's funny is like, what's a fuel injection, you know, because like, yeah, I mean dirt bikes are still going to carburetor. Yeah. A lot of those are still going to hold that. But fuel injection is actually it's not even like necessarily like a more efficient thing. It's just a but it's obviously a lot less maintenance. Yeah, but a lot of it is actually emissions.

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Carburetor spell a lot more carbon emissions. So it's actually that's one of the regulatory things that was coming up was just like, hey, we're switching, you know, there's really the only benefit you're really getting as a user is like you have to clean your car, which I very much appreciate because that sounds like a pain in the ass.

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I don't really want to do that myself, you know, But it is going to be due to a carbon emissions for the most part. That's the biggest thing that what was set that in place. And one thing I never even thought about, even though we had this idea for this episode was actually electric start. Oh, so that's now a feature that standard pretty much.

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Again, some dirt bikes are kickstart. Yeah. You know, some of the older bikes are kickstart, but Electric Start was like it's pretty much this. Yeah, yeah, it's been for the past. What, decades. Decades Because I can't exactly remember the year when it was but when Electric start first started coming out, a lot of bikes actually came with the backup kickstart because it's so inefficient, you know.

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And then Honda, of course, it's also behind that would be Honda they made just like the unbreakable electric start you know slowly. So that is now standard where back then that would have been something that like Honda would have bragged like, hey, this works for us. You know, we don't need no kickstart. I did not know. Oh, that's very cool.

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Yeah, so is so. And again, these are just things that are now standard. Yeah. And a really weird thing. I was going to get weirder before I get back to the more stuff but was so nowadays it's just a throttle, right. And you want your throttle snap back in place, right? Yeah. Well back in the day that was actually a feature called the Twist Return Throttle.

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So, Harley is harley-davidson's motor throttles or actually you twist it and it would hold in place. Oh, it's so the old school. Yeah. So the old school motorcycle is they called that cruise control. But then like I, I think it was I don't want to say triumph. It might have been I think it was the British bikes not made, maybe not triumph, but it was started mostly on the other side of the pond.

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Yeah, they have it there. They started having this jump the, the snap back throttle, the return twist. I did not know that. Yeah, I thought that's just standard. Right. It was really cool. But at one point that was a difference to make. And brands, I can't even imagine what it would be like trying to remember to put that back.

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Put that back? Yeah. That's like your gas pedal on the car not coming back. Yeah, you have to like, look it up on your front wheel and going you and again we're going to come back to today. Yeah. This day and age. But going back to even more there wasn't it. The throttle was a lever that you would use, you know car.

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Yeah. So it's like Yeah. So you'd have to push a lever in and then pull it out. And then they started introducing actual twist throttles and then they had it, then they had to make them automatically snap back. Yes, I really like those that have been features that are now just normal existing. They just exist now like came without them.

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They'll be weird and probably will not be a production model, just this kind of one off special edition. Yeah. So I buy it and then, you know, and so that's just like some of like the examples we are having. You know, it's really interesting, I think, to think about like the thought process or how those ideas came to be.

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If you like, Oh, you know, we have this lever for a throttle. Why don't we just put it on the handlebar. Yeah. Oh, the handlebar. Like it doesn't, it doesn't slow you down once you speed up. What if you made it turn off when you let go of your hand. Yeah, that makes sense. I bet there was some guy out there sitting like, Hey, what do we put a brake in the front?

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You get well, right? And put a lever right in front of the and see and this and Yeah. And this is why this episode should be a discussion because it was so easy researching for this to get lost in a rabbit hole. Yeah that I think the theme that I was seeing the most like with a lot of new technology for motorcycles was the actual motorcycle market keeping up with its audience user base.

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Yeah, you know what you're going to call it, but they were, you know, so like they started like with the electric start, right? Motorcycle companies realized that, you know, the baby boomers, the their target audience was getting older. And so they said, hey, like, hey, you got to start over. Yeah. Okay. And, you know, and same thing like with with going from drum brakes to disc brakes, they, they noticed that these work a lot better.

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Hey, guys, it's Mitch, one of the dudes that talks about motorcycles. While editing this video, I did find out that I used the wrong terminology while we were discussing braking. I said dual channel abs while I was describing dual disc abs. And then Glenn actually goes on to describe dual channel abs as linked braking abs. So sorry about the confusion.

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Otherwise just enjoy the episode and think you and then ABS came along, you know, and then on top of the abs coming along, we now we have dual channel abs. So you have two discs on maybe not most motorcycle is, but I'm willing to bet that as time goes on that will be standard. That also brings me to speed.

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Since you're talking about brakes, they remind me of link to braking. So when you hit the front brake, the bag brake also engages a lot of higher end bikes out of that. I know the guys have that and it's kind of a it's almost like a safety thing because it's using both races, reduce your stopping distance significantly and you don't have to think about it and the bike just does it for you.

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Yeah, and it's I think I find it fascinating and cool that so many, especially on modern bikes, especially bikes, I have abs and traction control, throttle control, all these fancy settings or features. A key change is how much stuff is actually going on in the background. Yeah, it's just without me noticing. Yeah. And it's, it's mind boggling because there's there's just so much and they do so much.

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Yeah. One of the biggest benefits I think about that is it makes riding more safer and more accessible too, because you can have a newer rider, you know, with on a motorcycle that has traction control, potentially saving, you know, saving them from a crash. And so because it kind of interfered and helped them help them. Right. Or, you know, Yeah, down a little.

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But and, you know, and that's what I was a part of like this whole theme of like what's driving all this change in motorcycles is a lot of it's safety. A lot of it's like user preference, you know, due to age or uses. Yeah. And along with uses a lot of these features started coming out as motorcycles start being able to do more and more and more.

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Yeah. So you see a lot of these things like cruise control, quick shifters and you know coming out as people started to adventure out and tour America. Yeah, and this is talking from the American side I'm sure it's, you know, different but similar for the rest of the world. Makes sense, you know. And that's why you see in different parts of the world, they have much smaller motorcycles, you know, because America is pretty expanse.

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It's pretty expanse. I feel like motorcycling here is just not like it's not as prominent. It's not as, you know, an everyday thing. Like we don't commute to our jobs on our motorcycles, you know, maybe once or twice a week. I work remotely. So occasionally, yeah, he's cool, but. But yeah, but like, you have countries, even even like in Mexico, I remember seeing there are so many of these like just 100 cc, like under 25 cc or smaller bikes just riding around everywhere and they sell them in like the grocery store there.

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Yeah. Over that. Yeah. They just look like, like slightly bigger than, than a bicycle with a tiny little motor on and people are just zipping around. So I feel like it just depends where you are. And I'm pretty sure those don't have any of the features that we just talked about, but they still get the job. Yeah, motorcycling done and even just moving on with technology, like I'm willing to bet none of those were a dip or a drum break.

00;27;53;22 - 00;28;12;12

No, I think they were just standard. Yeah, the standard is still going to be a disc brake because this just what the the market is now, even though bicycles just like regular pedal bicycle pump primary disc brakes versus the old school like horseshoe clamp that they. Oh yeah. Which was always a pain in the ass. I feel like those are massive pain now.

00;28;12;12 - 00;28;34;02

I feel like every childhood woes. Yeah, every bicycle you see, even the cheap ones that you get at Walmart or like most of them, have just plain old disc brakes, which I. I feel like that's just kind of like been the that's it became the standard for easy too easy to make and easy to maintain and replace the pads and all that.

00;28;34;06 - 00;28;55;06

Yeah it's pretty cool to see. Yeah. And that's yeah. And that's why I was getting to like the dual channel labels. Like not only have we had abs for a long time, but dual channel. And so I was starting to be introduced. A lot of that was driven by motorcycle weight and power, you know, that's why a lot of high performance motorcycles have the dual disc torque, have the dual channel ABS braking.

00;28;55;06 - 00;29;25;02

Now is that one just if they let you do it on the side. Okay. So you have like you have two calipers on each side, a curb weight, two calipers on the front tire not yeah not too would be seven really quick. Yeah. Two. Yeah super super disc Yeah. You know and then like with the advent of the that's the wrong word only once you start with the introduction of computers and everything else on there, that's when we started seeing like electronic suspension.

00;29;25;05 - 00;29;50;14

Yeah. Because adjustable suspension came along because they say, Oh well there's different types of riding. We know now how we have a better idea of how suspension works, you know, So like when, like there's situations where you want tighter suspension or looser, you know, and you would have to do that yourself. And then now everything changed. Yeah, it's like but still a lot of bikes do have just mileages, so my mind just has a little knobs.

00;29;50;14 - 00;30;08;26

I turn on the front and I feel like that's one of those things that kind of keeps the price a little bit down and sometimes I also feel like having a little bit less electronics is kind of nice. That's one less thing to like brake or one less like quiets assuring things, but pretty much every like high end bike.

00;30;08;27 - 00;30;35;02

Yeah, I see electronic suspension. Yeah. And I wonder if that's due to like weight or and again, it's one more thing that can break. Yeah, but I feel like weight does have something to do with it, but it's also kind of like a very convenience type feature. And I think that's one of the things with Motorcycle. So when you go up in price points, you not only get the usual like more power, more torque, more better traction control abs and things like that.

00;30;35;02 - 00;31;04;27

Yeah, you also get a lot of extra convenience features like cruise control, apparently adaptive cruise control now. Yeah, different rider modes, heated grips, heated seats. So you're kind of adding these convenience features. Yeah. And that's part of like the premium way that you pay for on a more expensive bike. But I just want to let's I just wanted to touch a little bit on the features that you've noticed have come from bigger, more expensive.

00;31;04;27 - 00;31;28;11

Premium bikes have kind of slowly trickled down to starter bikes that we have that we've noticed. So lately what I've personally noticed, just like getting ready for this episode, was like just how you ask one thing I've seen that's becoming more and more available. I guess not just like to the higher end. So you got to drop some mad cash to get this these features as a rider modes.

00;31;28;17 - 00;31;54;17

Yeah, I agree. That's becoming a really big thing. I have been seeing more are yeah, more TFT LCD displays versus like the the standard old digital style Casio watch. Yeah, style LCD screen. Yeah. Oh those one. Sorry. Yeah. Like LEDs. Yeah. My bad. Yeah. So or the you know or there's like brands that just keep the super sexy needles dial needles.

00;31;54;17 - 00;32;17;20

Yeah. So I do like the old school needles and I feel like there's some company, like Triumph is a big one, Royal Enfield where those old school dials just just kind of like, have this really analog feel too. Yeah, but even with those bikes that are like those modern classics, they still have so many of these features. They have traction control, they have different ride modes.

00;32;17;22 - 00;32;40;01

Yeah, self canceling blinkers. There's so many different things. Mm hmm. Even though they look like they wouldn't. Yeah, which is awesome that they're able to kind of like map like mesh. Those two things together. Like the all the new features with the old school design. Yeah, I find that really, really cool that they're not manufacturers that do that.

00;32;40;07 - 00;32;57;26

I think so I know like even in even things like cruise control there are still I wouldn't say that because even like well up until like the 2016 model of the Africa twin or something didn't that was 2016 or was it a 2020. It wasn't till 2020 they got cruise control. It's barely have cruise control. And that's only an adventure sports model.

00;32;57;26 - 00;33;19;09

It doesn't have it, which is a bike you think should have that for. Yeah. To do. Yeah. Especially like on the older models. But now they they don't. And when I was shopping around I kind of surprise on that but so you have to get like basically the the top model to get the cruise control and that when so many bikes just have that is almost like standard right now.

00;33;19;09 - 00;33;39;14

Yeah. Or at least at least bikes within that price point which that really surprised me that it did not have that. That's what the Africa twin did have though, was Apple CarPlay on that same model. Well, granted, I want to use cruise control, too, but it didn't have Apple CarPlay, which I found amazing. And I wish more manufacturers would add that.

00;33;39;14 - 00;33;58;29

I know. So. Okay, I'll let you finish. I know, like Honda also has a gold wing. I think BMW now has it on their like case 1600. They're big touring bike but I really that's like the one big feature I hope starts trickling into more elite premium motorcycle models they have like the big TFT screen, like what you're paying for, right?

00;33;59;00 - 00;34;16;05

Because you know, maybe exactly because really a priced budget for P or a price point for people, you know, because I, I didn't really care. I didn't really care about my phone integration on my bike, but I got it because it was like with the issue I had, it's like, Oh, you know what? Well, we'll throw in this feature for you, you know?

00;34;16;05 - 00;34;38;29

So yeah, so I have it. But yeah, was was it just Apple CarPlay or would it also work with like Android, What car or whatever they call it. I can't remember specifically on the Africa twin I, I want to say it was only Apple CarPlay but maybe it does support Android auto but the very least probably Bluetooth. Yeah.

00;34;39;00 - 00;35;02;27

Oh yeah it's still supported that. Yeah but I would really love to see that appear on more motorcycles like look at my tiger like it has this nice big six inch TFT screen. Yeah how amazing would be if I could put Apple CarPlay on there just like Apple Maps for navigation right there on the screen. Maybe a little like bar at the bottom with my gear speed and like little bar for attack or what feel or what not.

00;35;02;27 - 00;35;23;08

Yeah, like, I think that will be an amazing feature and I feel like the tiger would be perfect for that because it has the little cubby underneath to see where you can put your phone, plug it into USB just for good, like run it to that screen. They don't have to make a touchscreen. Maybe I can still navigate it with the joystick instead of a touchscreen, but it'd be a little bit clunkier but still doable.

00;35;23;08 - 00;35;49;28

Seems doable. I mean, like because again, my bike does have the the Triumph specific phone integration, you know. Yeah. And I it's not my favorite I've heard I'm a brand man. I love my triumph. I love my bike. But the there's the software side of the phone integration has not been my favorite I, I don't the only thing I use it for now I don't use it for my phone, I use it for my GoPro and heard that about that.

00;35;49;29 - 00;36;07;06

I don't know how it is on other bikes. I think it's Tesla. Ducati is app today. I'm pretty sure they have one too because the TFT on the MULTISTRADA at least have the options for music phone like all the usual stuff now you see it just wasn't connected and I was going to take your time to do that by.

00;36;07;08 - 00;36;26;17

So I'm curious. Some manufacturers do better than others, but I have heard that about Triumph is that it's very finicky cars, a lot of issues. And since I have the rally instead of the Rally Pro, I don't have the Bluetooth module. Yeah, and I thought about getting it, but after hearing all that, I was like, I don't think it's worth spending it 200 bucks.

00;36;26;20 - 00;36;58;01

Yeah, I would rather go get a heated seat. Yeah, but, you know, I'm like, and that's the kind of brings me to my other things. Like, you know what we were just talking about. There are those are some pretty cushy high end premium features. Yeah. And again, maybe that's going to become more and more available, you know, because back with cars, it was only the expensive nice end cars were getting the phone connectivity at first blue or white heated seats or heated seats, you know so like now every car you buy that has cameras and yeah, now you're required to have a backup camera on new models.

00;36;58;03 - 00;37;21;08

I feel like most of the cars you can find like, are like your average like commuter cars have, like, heated seats. Yeah. And Apple CarPlay and and I can feel I feel like that's one of those things maybe not like heated seats or Apple CarPlay with motorcycles but definitely things like rider modes like you said traction control and maybe even heater grips cruise control.

00;37;21;08 - 00;37;46;05

I feel like those kinds of things are disappearing on Yeah, more and more motorcycles because I feel like add a lot of appeal to motorcycle. They make it a lot more accessible, more attractive. And I feel like that makes people feel like it's a like a maybe a decent alternative to like driving a car. If if you if you want to do that, you know, and we keep like weighing these or like comparing the to the car market features versus the motorcycle features.

00;37;46;05 - 00;38;14;07

No, like, I think there's different reasons why we ride motorcycles, too. There is, you know, and so like I one thing I was like just toying with today was this theme of like Lego singles, right? Or MMOs cruise Control, where we've talked about phone integration, you know, and things like that. Something like phone integration, heated grips, heated seats, your fairings or wind screens, knowing that it's going to be more for your touring.

00;38;14;11 - 00;38;37;00

You know, ATV people want to go long distance for for around town or just like a weekend warrior, you know, like maybe they they just want something that's going to keep them safe, keep the bike up, you know, So like, so it seems like with a lot of these like rider a, they're not replacements for what the rider supposed to be doing or like to distract the rider, but they should be aiding the rider.

00;38;37;00 - 00;39;08;17

Yeah. What their purpose is to keep the riders safer and you know, and, and still kind of give them the option to maybe do something a little bit crazier. They Yeah. They wouldn't do I always. But yeah, when you're riding on an road or just situation or if you have something happen where you have to grab like a handful of both of your brakes all at the same time and have the abs slow you down gradually instead of locking up your tires can probably make a make a massive difference.

00;39;08;18 - 00;39;39;08

Or if you hit, you know, a slightly slick spot on the road, the traction control. Yeah. Saves you. Yeah. And that's like so that's what that's what I was going to bring up too, I think. And I want to know what you think is I think like of everything else we've talked about so far. I think the one thing that I was going to say should, but I think the I think could be good in all motorcycles to assist with rider AIDS and safety using the current technologies to be better.

00;39;39;10 - 00;39;58;14

Yeah. Is the IMU. I think like more mid to lower end bikes should start if the very least for electronics should be bringing out like an IMU, which if you don't know, that is the inertia measurement tool. So it uses like gyroscopes and accelerometers to sensor motorcycle's position. So I think your bike does it to the lean sensitive.

00;39;58;14 - 00;40;18;12

Yeah I think yes and traction control yeah I think that's the big thing for traction control and what makes us safer and no I think I do agree with you on that. I think that's one of those things that can help out a lot, especially for new riders, because, yeah, even if you're cornering or anything like that, I can help you slow down in a more safe and, gradual way.

00;40;18;13 - 00;40;41;01

I saw a video on YouTube of guys riding like a BMW like F 850. You know, it looks like a good jury day where he's riding. But apparently the the back shows videos like he was going into a turn and the bike like he actually hit some black ice. Oh, shit. And so the bike was like, I'm telling you, it was like more than like 45.

00;40;41;01 - 00;41;00;16

It was. I thought he was going down. Yeah, but the video, he slows it down like the bike basically corrected itself. So like, good job BMW Yeah you're I am use and traction control work because like the computer said something was wrong with how the tire was spinning. Yeah. To the angle. It was moving out and it just shot back up.

00;41;00;19 - 00;41;30;21

That's crazy. Like it knew how to correct the tire to get traction back. Yeah. So it's, it's really cool. Like, I think that would be one of those features that kind of would make motorcycle a bit more accessible. Yeah, but what I kind of wanted to say though, is like motorcycles come in a lot of different varieties. You have, like you said, you're touring bikes and we have like small dual sports and everything else in between, all sorts of different styles, models, and they each serve a different purpose.

00;41;30;23 - 00;41;52;19

I think it's also important to remember though, like not every bike needs every feature. Yeah, like abs. That's probably, I think in the U, that's Lor now. So I think everybody has to come with that. And I think traction control is probably like one of those things that is probably a good thing to have and helpful. Yeah, but I think there's no reason dirt bike needs some of that stuff.

00;41;52;19 - 00;42;20;18

Exactly. Yeah. And single track like you don't need an abs on there. Like, that's one of those things. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And it's, but it's, it's so cool to see those features and all that. There's still motorcycles around that dial back on the features and kind of keep a very simple and almost like old school classic machine without so many of these electronics interfering with.

00;42;20;18 - 00;42;40;29

Yeah. And still but it's still built to a modern, not a modern day standard but I think we see a lot of that too. It's like the modern classic genres, you know, cause like there's to be said for the people who like to get the old bikes and fix them up and write them, you know, like for the, in their words, the purist experience.

00;42;41;04 - 00;43;03;14

Yeah, again, their words, not mine. I haven't read the old motorcycle, but you know. But I see it. I get it. You know, it's I totally understand. I feel like there's a it's a, um. I haven't written an old motorcycle, but I have driven the old cars and there's a certain like, like a feel or a character that an old car has, that a new car does, especially if it's like an old school muscle or an old school sports car.

00;43;03;14 - 00;43;31;07

Dude, that that raggedy old jeep that we drove in Mexico, It was, it was great. Like it was a piece of shit. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Like I had no ac. They took the roof off or, you know, rolled it up, windows down, cruising around, and it just felt amazing. This and I've driven one of my friends used to have a 64 Mustang or 66 Mustang, and I just remember like those old cars, you just feel the heat.

00;43;31;07 - 00;43;52;00

You feel, Yeah, every like vibration and rumble. And that's part of the appeal of motorcycling as well as it's you're exposed. You're supposed to the engine, you're exposed to the elements and that's what makes it well, that's what makes motorcycling really enjoyable. Yeah. Like me personally, I wouldn't want a motorcycle that feels like too much like a Camry.

00;43;52;03 - 00;44;07;23

Well, not necessarily a Camry, but I want a motorcycle that makes you feel like you're in a cocoon, right? Yeah, Like I want it to be fun. I want to be exposed to the air, to the elements, whatever comes my way. And that's. That's just me. No, I'm with you on that. Not all riders are like that, though.

00;44;07;23 - 00;44;46;01

Some people will only go out if the weather's nice and yeah, sunny and stuff. But I bought an adventure bike for a reason and that's because I want to go on adventures. And that means getting caught in rain and snow and the wind. Yeah. And blazing heat. Yeah, everything in between. Now I'm with you on that. And unlike the sense and the experience of it all, you know, but at the same time it's like, I think like that's like the, the difference for mode for the motorcycle market is like, you know, we have to keep up with, you know, the general expectations of vehicles and technology, but we need to keep these experiences.

00;44;46;01 - 00;45;24;24

I think most motorcyclists, no matter like what type of riding you do like, I think most people would say like, no, you want like that rawness, that experience. You know, you want to be a part of some part of the road, like just No, just not riding down it. Yeah, exactly. You know, So I think, like it's I think that's what they're that would be the difference is like how do we balance this out while still maintaining safety and features in this in some pretty high end like yeah Boujee stuff like oh my phone can connect to the like I think one thing though that I would like to change about what's considered standard on

00;45;24;24 - 00;45;48;20

motorcycle like off the dealer floor or used is those stupid toolkits that come with a new bike. They are practically useless. I don't care what anyone says. I think manufacturers should be shipping like an actual useful roadside kit with the bike. It's funny that you mention that when I buy my rally, my Tucker 900 rally, I order a center stand for it.

00;45;48;20 - 00;46;13;07

And then it came. None of the tools in the tool kit we used to put it on because all the bolts were sizes that are not in the tool kit. Yeah. And also, I'm not even sure what the tool wrenches are. A screwdriver in that Triumph's tool kit would be used for. The only thing I've ever had to do with it is I just might one of my mirrors cause the like, got a little loose on the freeway one time.

00;46;13;07 - 00;46;35;13

The snow on the bike was still brand new and other than that, I haven't touched them since. I mean, sure, they're they're fine, you know, but they're just super basic. No. Yeah. My chin there, you know. And yeah, I personally, I think like, no matter what kind of bike you buy, there should be some like, tool kit that's specific to that bike.

00;46;35;13 - 00;46;58;07

You know, like, you know, like, okay, you got to do a sport. Yeah. Here's your. I think everybody should come with a tire repair kit, you know, And then like, you know, maybe not, maybe not necessarily fuzes, you know, but cars come with spare Fuzes Yeah, I think, I think motorcycles should come with like a more competent kit, you know?

00;46;58;11 - 00;47;15;02

I feel like that would just benefit everybody, I think. No. And I think that's I think personally that would be a feature that should be kind of bonus. Yeah, I think riders should expect more from like their package on a bike from from a manufacturer. I really like that idea. So if many manufacturers listen to this, you're shit together.

00;47;15;02 - 00;47;34;29

Get on. Yeah. So then they took it for us. Yeah. You know, you just have to be anything fancy, you know, Just. Just a useful one. Yeah. No. Somebody with tools that can actually fit most of your bikes parts and things like that. And just make sure it works like. Or make sure it's like a decent, decent tool kit.

00;47;35;00 - 00;47;54;09

No idea how much money I've wasted on Stockton Tools. I just brake. So, yeah. So I don't have. I haven't had to use mine too much. But the kit that I did buy from Stockton did have some fuzes on it too. Yeah, I got that one. Which is kind of like to have. Yeah. Helpful to have. I always keep spares in my car and I have spares on my bike just because you never know when you might.

00;47;54;11 - 00;48;15;08

You might need something like with mine, like my bike, you know, it came with like the basic little weirdo screwdriver thing. Yeah. All my bike screws are key wrench. Like, what am I going to do with a Philips and flat? Nothing on my bike takes that. Yeah. So, like, it just. It just makes no sense, you know? I don't know.

00;48;15;11 - 00;48;31;25

You know, neither you. You got to be very curious. I'm going to go to my bike tomorrow when I pull out the tool kit and see where that wrench actually sits. Did you see my bike other than the mirror? And did your bike come with a tool to adjust your suspension? No, because I don't need one. Oh. Oh.

00;48;31;29 - 00;48;51;17

Can I have a knob for the rear suspension? Kind of. Okay. A giant knob that sticks out, which is very nice. It's hydraulic. Yeah. And then on the front, I have two little, two little nipples that I just twist. I think everyone has to ask Club. Hey, not everyone might not have the force, but my bike has two little nipples that I just twist.

00;48;51;22 - 00;49;12;15

Okay? And I can adjust the rebound and the compression on the front. I'm offspring. Yours looks like it needs a screwdriver. Yeah, and it didn't come with it. So this is your key? This? Yeah, your house key. Just insert twist it. Yeah, but no. So that's. That was my rant on that. I apologize you had to hear that.

00;49;12;15 - 00;49;32;22

But that was and I think that's a very reasonable rant to how, though I feel like it's just nice to have a good tool kit or at least a useful one. Yeah. And especially on an adventure bike or something like that on the bike that you're on riding long distances, probably a very, very small thing. And we talked about in our one of our in our episode talking about long distance riding, you know just make sure you have those kits.

00;49;32;22 - 00;49;48;21

Yeah, like that. But again, that was stuff we and you always will have to assemble stuff specific to what you need and what you feel you'll need. But yeah, I think like especially for a new rider, they should be at least like set up with something to do. Like the basic things, you know? Yeah, it's like, Oh yeah, screw comes loose.

00;49;48;21 - 00;50;04;29

Well, don't you have to come back to the dealer? Yeah, you can. You can just fix it yourself. And I do like that. And I know, like, a lot of it is just like a money thing because, you know, dealers, manufacturers, they want you to take your bike into the store to have their. Their people fix it, because that makes them money as well.

00;50;05;01 - 00;50;33;02

Yeah, but I think it would be awesome to see a little bit more effort from manufacturers to, like, make basic repairs like an oil change basic like chain adjusting and things like that, accessible and easy or like fairly easy to do with having to do remove the side of your exhaust to get to your oil fill cap or to do some crazy just like crazy thing just to get your bike to.

00;50;33;04 - 00;50;53;25

Well, I think maintenance would be different from like a roadside situation. And that's that's just part of the process of. So yeah, like, like maintenance like, you know, you have your own stuff, you, however you handle it, that's one thing. But like if you're in an emergency, some bus sitting in the middle of nowhere that you have the proper tools to, you know, you don't need something to it.

00;50;53;25 - 00;51;08;24

Just be nice to like not have. Yeah, yeah. Because you already know you don't have to like or you already know. Like if you're in a in a pinch on the side of the road, you're not going to go under your seat because those things aren't going to work. Exactly. No, I do like that. I think that's a really good idea.

00;51;08;26 - 00;51;27;22

What else do you kind of think that you what? Let's look at it like five years ahead. What do you think we'll see appear on on motorcycles? Something that we don't have right now? One of the big things I see you have on our list here, as I mentioned, DCT and Honda is pretty much the only brand that has DCT motorcycles.

00;51;27;22 - 00;51;58;24

And a lot of people really like it when I was looking. And I think that's I think maybe having a few more automatic options and I'm pretty sure there's people I would hate that on motorcycles but I think that's one of those things that can make motorcycling a bit more accessible to a larger group of people. Because when I was shopping around for my for a bike last year, one of the bikes I looked at was the Africa twin and the guy, a young automotive that, was helping me out or young powersports here in Utah that was helping me out.

00;51;58;27 - 00;52;22;13

He used to have a gas. He got in a wreck and he lost most of his left arm. And that's the clutch and that's the clutch hand. And he can I mean, he wouldn't be able to use the clutch on most bikes. He still had a grip, but he can really move his fingers. Yeah. So he bought a DCT Africa twin and I was like, that is awesome.

00;52;22;19 - 00;52;42;09

I'm like, It's cool because this person who without this option might not be able to ride anymore, have to like, do something crazy, like make the clutch work is still able to ride a motorcycle and, you know, ride like he rode that thing to Alaska and back and, like, ride it like that while not having, like, his hand function.

00;52;42;09 - 00;53;00;08

And I think it's awesome to see features like that, like coming in. I would like to see think more. Yeah. And I think accessibility is something that we could be seeing more and more and bikes. Yeah, something like maybe because like DCT is Honda's thing, but there's other, you know, you have progressive gearboxes and stuff that they you could probably introduce.

00;53;00;08 - 00;53;15;16

I'm not giving things like a quick shifter like it's already a big help, but you still need to operate the clutch for that. So I think it'd be really cool to see a bit more like automatic options on motorcycles. Yeah, not to the point where it's like cars where everything is automatic and the manual is a special one.

00;53;15;16 - 00;53;46;23

Yeah, but I think accessibility like that would be pretty nice. I think I've, I think so too. I listed the DCT as an honorable mention because of the debate. You know, you do have some people, you know, who are which I like my clutch, I like I really like yours, you know and there's but you there has been I've never maybe I've never witnessed it but like there has been like the debate I guess you want to call is is it a motorcycle if it doesn't have a clutch, You know, and I feel like if it's it's a size two wheels, a big engine and it's it's fairly tall.

00;53;46;23 - 00;54;08;10

It's Yeah. And you sit over the frame instead of sat through it. Yeah. It's it's so motorcycle like. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just like that that whole thing and you know like and I understand how you wouldn't want all motorcycle to go that way except, you know, like there is an experience to be had through gears and, and having a mechanical feeling.

00;54;08;10 - 00;54;33;21

But I think it's one of those things that can make motorcycle accessible to a wider audience. Yeah. Especially an audience that may not be able to shift gears or use the clutch for various types of reasons. And I think it'd be cool. And I'm sure there's accessories you can add to your bike that can make it more accessible for if you have other, um, like disabilities or mobility issues and things like that.

00;54;33;28 - 00;54;57;15

And that kind of goes even into like, like the three wheeled bikes. So obviously see from like Harley Can-Am and things like that. Yeah. There's like that kind of like the automatic debate, like, you know, it's not really a motorcycle has three wheels and things like that, but I don't necessarily think they're a bad thing because they still, um, they still allow people to essentially kind of ride something other than a car.

00;54;57;16 - 00;55;19;20

Yeah, I kind of still have the wind in the hair and feel that kind of openness that you get with the motorcycle. Yeah, I don't think that necessarily bad because they still let people right into kind of like have that similar type of experience. Yeah, well if even if they're not maybe able to write something with two wheels, right.

00;55;19;20 - 00;55;38;11

Yeah. That's why I put that down on the honorable mention cause I think that's more specific to like what could be an accessibility thing for people, for different people, for people with different abilities to try out something you know, might otherwise be physically restricted. All right. Yeah, that makes sense. And I guess I'll go back to my original question.

00;55;38;19 - 00;56;12;09

You mentioned it. You said, no, you're fine. What kind of features do you think we'll see more often on motorcycles next? Like five years or so, upcoming ones? Well, I really hope we see some of them out. The tool kits, and I think I may have already answered. I think we're I, I'm hopeful that we'll see more or Yeah, hopeful more stuff like the inertial measurement tools make again, like I don't want bikes to become a car.

00;56;12;11 - 00;56;33;08

Yeah I want that raw an experience. But I think but safety is always an ongoing thing. Know cycles do present more harm opportunities until you have the right and you know I forgot to mention this, but the multistrada I rode also had blind spot monitoring. Oh, a blind spy. Oh, I didn't know that actually. Yeah. The more mirrors they're wired in, they light up.

00;56;33;08 - 00;56;58;27

If there's a car in a blind spot like most cars have nowadays. So that's another kind of like. Yeah. That's a safety feature. Yeah. And I feel like that's something I don't know. I feel like adaptive cruise control and things will probably still be reserved for like the more high end touring models. But I could see like blind spot systems being kind of trickled down to mid range models at least because they add like a little extra layer of safety.

00;56;58;29 - 00;57;15;19

Yeah, I think that that's just my biggest thing is like maybe I'm like an actual concrete answer for your question there, but like, I would just hope that whatever we are going to see in the future is it's going to remain restricted to rider AIDS, not rider replacements. Make sense. So but what about you? Because that's like what?

00;57;15;19 - 00;57;38;23

I have a car, Apple, CarPlay and all. And if if, if a motorcycle has a screen on it, if it has at least a five inch TFT like color tft, please put Apple CarPlay on it and make it wireless. Wireless, Apple CarPlay because I feel like that would be such an Android CarPlay and Android Auto. Sure. Whatever I don't we we Sure, sure.

00;57;38;28 - 00;58;02;28

Yeah. If you use Android just get Apple I'm just to get whatever you want. But yes thank you for both of those both Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. I would love to see that especially on models that have a TFT and I'm very sure there's going to be like an argument saying that, you know, it can be distracting, You can make you know, it can distract the riders too much information and things like that.

00;58;03;00 - 00;58;22;16

But the thing is, you don't have to use it if you don't if you don't want to. But it's a be such a nice feature to have because if we're doing like, like our long distance rides, it'd be so cool to just have like Apple maps just be pulled up there, be able to control your music through there and take a phone call and things like that with your comms.

00;58;22;16 - 00;58;50;18

Yeah, like through that. Because just like with cars I think we've seen and you know, your example of your bike with the Bluetooth connectivity car and probably motorcycle manufacturers suck at making connectivity happen in their cars happen reliably and I think most of them kind of suck at making a decent interface as well. At least with motorcycles like it's fairly like not is quite as complex as in the car because you have like a radio and things like that.

00;58;50;18 - 00;59;14;16

Yeah, but I feel like, like if they tried to do something that has any kind of like fall in control, it's it will never be the same level as Yeah. Apple, CarPlay or Android auto. No. And like that actually makes me think to maybe like amend. My answer before was one thing I did that is nice about the connectivity feature on my bike like you know when it works so give it that.

00;59;14;23 - 00;59;30;14

Yeah it there's less things for me to focus on because it's all in the bike controls. It works and listen to music. I can just hit the switch and it changes for me and I have to like come up here and fumble off my helmet. Yeah, that's really, you know, and ever since my phone fell off of my bike.

00;59;30;17 - 00;59;49;09

Yeah. Luckily my phone wasn't on there, you know, But I have to do I haven't replaced it. And so my phone stays in my pocket. And so when it does work, music phone calls. Yeah. You know, the Siri I can still say, Hey Siri. Yeah. When it works. So I think that it would be like a good like category of a rider safety.

00;59;49;11 - 01;00;10;09

Siri just went off. No, I yeah, I think I fall into the category of rider AIDS because again, for me as a writer, it's less stuff like I'm doing the same amount of stuff, but there's different methods. Yeah, I get what you're saying. The more time you, the more often your hands are on the handlebars, the safer you are because you're not.

01;00;10;09 - 01;00;39;19

I'm not distracted by my helmet. So sorry about that. To control like a random headset. No, I do like that. And I think. I think it'd be totally doable for them to make Apple CarPlay work with, like, a joystick or some kind of controller. Maybe The problem that it doesn't touch the bikes, maybe it's the how finicky or come systems are because boy motorcycle cart motorcycle com systems definitely are not the most user friendly so kind of finicky but I just feel like things get better with Oh definitely.

01;00;39;21 - 01;01;07;26

But I just feel like Android Auto and Apple CarPlay that kind of that's their sole purpose is to be basically project your phone onto the screen and keep your phone out of your and your phone is really good at doing all those tasks of switching music, making phone calls, reading texts, having a voice assistant that not even car those little finicky voice assistant or Bluetooth set up to your phone and stuff can match.

01;01;07;26 - 01;01;33;07

And it'd be amazing if you can just control all that from a through a motorcycle. Yeah, maybe it's not. Even while you're moving. Maybe you can just be like. Like if it's touchscreen, the Honda does have a touchscreen, but it's disabled. When you start moving, like maybe they can throw in something like that or like I said, use the joystick or maybe like, just completely like everything from being controlled while you're while you're moving, except for maybe like music or pressing.

01;01;33;07 - 01;01;55;10

Okay. So I think a phone call. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't want to see people like, entering their next GPS destination while riding on the. Yeah. On the freeway, 80 miles an hour, because that's not safe. But I feel like there's ways to do that because car manufacturers already do it. Like selling the super like a search feature after a certain speed or if you're moving at all or it's like you're, like you can only use voice.

01;01;55;15 - 01;02;17;04

Yeah, like on my maps, on my car. I can't type anything. I have to use the button and they have to say, Oh, hey, take me here. Yeah. You know, something like that. But and that brings me to the other point, like navigation and things like that. Yeah, some motorcycles do come in navigation. You can get proper like Garmin GPS and things like that, But we all have our phones and I feel like so many people use their phones already for navigation.

01;02;17;06 - 01;02;47;04

It'd be awesome to see that on the like projected on the screen. Yeah. And they'll have to use some finicky app or finicky interface to like enter your destination because phones are really good at doing those kinds of things. Yeah. And like motorcycle tests are not a phone and I feel like they'll never at least know that, not within the next like few years they won't still won't be at that same level, like the fluidity that you get with a phone.

01;02;47;09 - 01;03;08;04

So it's like a motorcycle. You're saying motorcycle manufacturers should like leave the phone stuff to the phone people and then like work around that kind of thing rather than trying to replace a phone and put it in a motorcycle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it just I think it would just save everyone a lot of time and to just be able to follow Honda's example and just put Apple, CarPlay and Android Auto on the damn.

01;03;08;04 - 01;03;31;14

TFT Yeah, and make the TFT maybe a little taller to have some of like the basic info on the bottom there. Yeah, that's it. That's my rant. There's talk, explainers, infotainment, other motorcycle out of all things because I'm glad needs to be connected. It needs to be connected, you know, and that's just on the adventure bikes like, yeah, you know and I feel like it's always that bus that's in our seats, our perspective.

01;03;31;14 - 01;03;48;02

Yeah. Riding. We do. Yeah. From like, yeah, like a touring or adventure motorcycle. Like, I feel like that's one of those things that'll be very useful if you have a Ducati Panigale you check out to the track. Yes. As a TFT it might not. It probably won't do that, but I don't see what Yeah, I don't see where track bike would need.

01;03;48;03 - 01;04;13;05

Yeah. You know, or like and that's the leaves. Plenty of room for Yamaha in class if they have analog arrows or you know your basic dual sports they just have a basic LCD. Yeah that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah I think you're right. It just depends like what it's going to be doing from there. But one thing I will say, I hope that we see less a little or yeah, less to none of in the future is subscription based services on bikes.

01;04;13;07 - 01;04;39;23

I don't really want to start that right now because we're about to wrap up. Yeah, but subscription for features on bikes. BMW knocked that off, KTM KTM knocked that off that off And I feel like that's just such a Yeah light It's a very sore spot Yeah sore subject because I really don't like the idea of having a feature that's locked behind a paywall, but that's, that's already there.

01;04;39;23 - 01;04;56;22

Yeah, it's built into the engine, it's built into the software, but you have to pay someone to unlock it. I feel like it's like they're just being the trolls under the bridge to make you pay a toll to access this thing that's already there. I feel like if more of that starts happening, people are just going to find ways to like break that software and get those features.

01;04;56;29 - 01;05;16;27

But that could potentially compromise the performance or the safety of the motorcycle, which is also bad. And I don't think that's a very good route to take, especially if it's like even if it's for some outlandish feature, like adaptive cruise control, like if that multistrada that test road today, like all the multi adaptive cruise control is over, you got to pay 80 bucks a month, eight bucks a month for it.

01;05;16;27 - 01;05;36;03

I'd be like, No, screw that. No, I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. Yeah, no, I know that it's already an expensive hobby. Yeah, like insurance, maintenance gear and everything, but you're already adding, like a monthly cost to that, in addition to what you're probably paying for it. No, no, absolutely. It's the principle of the matter. Yeah.

01;05;36;03 - 01;05;56;10

Yeah. So? So I'm very excited to see what the future of motorcycling holds, and I hope it's a good one. And I hope more people start riding motorcycles because they're way better than a car. And everyone should ride a motorcycle if they're able to. That's my opinion and not our opinions. Our facts on this show is our show.

01;05;56;10 - 01;06;19;03

So yeah, this is our show. Gosh darn it. But I'm very excited to see what the future of motorcycling holds. And we're like crazy advanced features. We see our motorcycles and we didn't even touch on anything related to like electric, like electric motorcycles or anything like that. And I know. But you know, what's funny is I think that might be something we might talk about in the future.

01;06;19;03 - 01;06;43;10

I think so. So if you want to hear that, make sure you follow us on wherever you listen to a podcast. We're just like on most platforms, right? Yeah. Yeah. What if I Apple, Amazon, iHeart, Google, Yeah, everywhere. So I think that's all I have to say for today. That's all I have is one. I also threw out, you know, like if, if we're ever dissing a bike that you have, it's all in good fun.

01;06;43;10 - 01;06;59;29

Like I will happily joke about my bike. Oh, 100%. So my bike has so many things that I talk shit because. Yeah, but there are bikes and we love them. And I love all bikes. And you should love your Harleys. Yeah, you should love your bike no matter what you have. No, I feel like, though, I mentioned that.

01;06;59;29 - 01;07;25;07

Harley, come on, we have to go. Right. A Harley one They just said I'm Dave. I want to try one. Yeah, so I'm down for trying any bike. Yeah. So. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for listening. And if you have any topic suggestions or comments, ideas or anything you'd like to say, feel free to email us at t t motorcycles gmail dot com and we'll leave that in the description below as well.

01;07;25;10 - 01;07;50;15

Very quickly, I just remembered because we talked about doing this before we started recording. We talked about this earlier this week. I'm just trying to find our own podcast because we actually had some wonderful people comment for us, some Oh, Casey Reese, thank you for your comment. Great advice from two great guys. Love listening. Thank you, Casey, Darren, 505 Love it.

01;07;50;15 - 01;08;13;23

I'm a fan of podcasts. This is a good one. I hope you can keep it up. Aside from never being on a Suzuki than dissing my versus I. The team cast anyway. I the twelves strum d as a die or deal. The Suzuki that was the ed0 yeah D like the 1000 Suzuki is from Great Ride and Tulsi, thank you.

01;08;13;23 - 01;08;35;25

We love hearing about it. Yeah. So and keep them coming and send us an email like we'd love to hear from you guys. And if you have topics, if we accidentally destroy a bike, feel free to call us out on it. Well, now you're our friend because we're making fun of you. Yeah, So. And if you have any cool features that you'd like to see on motorcycles, or maybe you get taken away totally to let us know as well.

01;08;35;27 - 01;08;44;08

Ooh, Taken away would be good. Yeah, I could go. So. So, yeah. Once again, thank you so much for listening, guys. And we'll catch you in the next episode. Yeah, take care.

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Episode 5 - Discussing Motorcycles Features and Tech

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