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In this episode we talk about the newly announced 2024 BMW R1300 GS. We cover what we think they did well, what they might have missed out on and a little bit about what makes this bike so iconic.
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Think we're a little rusty. Yeah. Welcome back to two dudes talking motorcycles. I am glad one of the dudes and if I may on Instagram @gleblapham. I am Mitch. You can find me on Instagram @meech2debeech. And then our podcast site. Our page is a T motorcycles pilot podcast. Right? Or is it just now just @tdtmotorcycles
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There we go. And you can always email us your comments, suggestions, feedback, ride stories. If you bought a new bike, let us know. And you can always email us at tdtmotorcycles@gmail.com. So welcome back. We kind of had a slow month last month and only put out one episode just because I was traveling at the end of August.
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You were traveling at the end of September and we kind of just of the month just kind of got away from us. But we're back. And there were some big news
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because today our main topic is going to be about the new the newly announced, R 1300 GS from BMW. And I've been really looking forward to talk about this bike because this announces this announcement has been rumored for a while and BMW finally revealed the new GS.
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And you know I don't know where you can put it is like you ride a triumph, but you're having an affair with an emotional affair with BMW a little bit. And the reason for that is because, like BMW or at least the GS is kind of almost like the OG adventure bike. And I always thought it looked iconic.
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And you always like you see it everywhere. You see it pretty much any globetrotter. Trotter out there on a motorcycle, like you see the GS pretty much everywhere because it's such a rugged machine that can go pretty much, pretty much anywhere.
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It wasn't a very mechanized, a cow. So yeah, like, and massive like it's, it's a, it's an awesome bike and it's been kind of due for a, a power bump and a weight reduction and stuff to kind of bring it more in line with the competition and it's finally here.
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So today that's what we're going to talk about. But before we jump into that, Mitch had a little bit of news to share about a scrambler Triumph. Scrambler update. Yeah. So Triumph has announced the 2024 line up for the Triumph 1200 scramblers. So 2023 will be the last looks like so far the last year that you'll be able to get the XC because now they're moving to the scrambler 1200 X, It's got a lower seat height.
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So they're trying to make something a little bit more approachable. They've swapped out the suspension for a Marzocci suspension systems for the XE. From there, I believe they've done some some changes to the engine tuning. So it hasn't really done anything for, like, you know, performance. Like from what I'm reading, you're not going to see any big differences.
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So that's just we just wanted to give that as a short little piece of news is that there is going to be a more approachable basics scrambler or 20 1200. Yeah, 1200. Yeah. So and then the XE is pretty much staying pretty much. But minus the suspension. Yeah. The suspension is no longer going to be showa And so I think it's
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Yeah. Marzocci all around. Okay. Yeah. An LED indicators and new headlight, new tail light. So. Okay. Yeah. Some Triumph updating their one of their existing lines. So. Yeah. Excellent. There's your news. Yeah, there's a little bit of news because we're going to jump into the bigger news and that is that GS. Before I jump into talking about the bike, I just kind of wanted to touch or talk about why it's an iconic bike.
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And I mentioned earlier that this bike, if you go on Instagram, if you go on YouTube and you type in like know world tours, motorcycle tours and stuff, you'll see the GT everywhere, even though it's not the most, it's not the lightest bike, it's not the fastest bike, it is not the most approachable bike and price and weight and everything like that.
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But it's still popular. It's still the number one selling adventure bike heavyweight, at least heavyweight adventure bike out there. Maybe overall adventure bike, but I'm not 100% sure on that, but I feel like it's probably up there still. I would guess it's more looking at the more like midweight is probably like the the middleweight bikes are probably they're like the world at least America's top selling bikes that this is BMW the best selling bike okay yeah the GS like just in general Yeah no no, I didn't mean I kind of meant both.
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I just want a BMW. This is like, one of their best selling bikes. Yeah, And the overall adventure bike category everywhere is the top selling category of motorcycles. Yeah, because they're. They're like the SUV of motorcycles. They can go off road, they can go on road and they can do it very comfortably, especially the GS area. I mean, I think I'm pretty sure I see GSs just as much as I was.
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Harley's yeah, yeah. GS are everywhere. And you have like giant groups of people writing them. Yeah, up in the mountains and Yeah. So back to the topic is that the GS is it's just an iconic bike and the whole gas line basically is what started the whole kind of adventure genre of motorcycles.
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The original GS came out 43 years or I think 44 years ago at this point and it was called the R 80 G slash S and the GS stands for Galande Strasza, which is German for like Off-Road on Road or Off-Road Slash Street, which kind of basically sets the bike up for what it has been known to
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do.
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Yeah. Is tackle both on road comfortably, ride off road comfortably and people take these things around the world
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It's it's crazy it's a it's a, it's a very like special machine that basically spawned the whole separate genre of motorcycles that we now have today. Yeah. And throughout the years so that, that was in 1983. So that's back in the 1980s when the first one came out, it was kind of a basic bike, but it did have kind of beefed up suspension and still had the drive shaft, the boxer engine, too.
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And it was advertised like a tackle being on an off road, but before it was even released to the public is actually developed by the engineers that developed the prototype. They basically just did it without like an authorization or an order or anything like that. It was just something they were kind of like messing with. It's like they were adventurers.
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Yeah. And they just decided to like, hey, why don't we just make this like a heavyweight dual sport bike that can kind of go anywhere? And yeah, then they presented the prototype and, you know, they decided to put it in production. So finally went into production and basically, yeah, the management liked it. And within 21 months after the prototype, they presented the bike to the public.
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So it's the first large scale dual sport. They had two sports before that, but nothing as much about nothing as big. The engine size like the bigger engine size and everything like that. And at first it was basically like R 80 was like in the 800 CC range, 8 to 900 cc range. In 1994 they upped they bumped that up to or sorry, not in 1994.
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Four years later they bumped that up to the R 100 GS, which had close to 1000 CC engine and then they kept the 80 around this kind of like the lower end model that the mana lever a rear suspension. So the single shock, single sided swingarm and a lot of those features they still carry over to this day on that bike in 94 they had the 11th hour 1100 GS, which was the first Enduro bike with a four valve engine and it kind of offered more as more like fuel capacity and everything like that.
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Basically more adventure ready sooner they added the F 800. Yes. And their fleet 6650 GS to kind of bring up the or offer smaller GS bikes but the big the big GS has basically remained very similar for all these years and they kind of held up the same kind of look and esthetic and capability throughout the years and they just slowly improved upon the last generation by adding, you know, in the later years, like in the 2000, they added like abs.
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Then they had a electronic suspension and they had like LED lights and all of that kind of stuff. Set it up with the times. Yeah, basically they kept it up with the times to make it still like the ultimate, the ultimate adventure bike introduced things like riding modes, the TFT and all of that kind of stuff. Eventually it did become water cooled and to this day it still remains kind of a water slash liquid cooled.
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Yeah, mix and match. And one of the most iconic things is we've talked about this before is long way round. And so this is kind of like the show that helped propel the popularity of this bike by a large amount. Because for those of you that are familiar, 2005 and the first one is somewhere around there. Yeah. So Evan McGregor will be one himself and Charlie, Charlie Boorman, They rode their motors, the, I think it was the R 1100 or 1150 at the time.
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Yeah. I think I GS a cross basically around the world and at first they approached KTM to do that and the KTM did not want to provide them any press bikes, but BMW stepped up and provided them three to for the Forever McGregor one and Charlie Boorman and then one more for their camera, the cameraperson. And they basically took these bikes around the world and that helped propel the popularity of that bikers.
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It's like globe trotting machine, and they did it pretty much without any major breakdowns that were caused by just like normal wear and tear. Yeah, the biggest thing they had is the cameraman. He took a pretty hard fall and then broke the frame of the bike, which kind of messed that up for the rest of the journey. It turns out you kind of need that too, right?
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Yeah. Yeah. The motorcycle kind of needs a frame.
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So that that series basically kind of helped propel the popularity of the BMW. The, ah, the, the series of BMW bikes. And it kind of cemented its reputation and its place as like the globetrotting bike.
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And so that brings us to the new one, the R 1300 GS. And do you want me to continue or you want to talk about some of the.
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Yeah, I can kind of mentioned some of that, just like some things that I was noticing going through all our lists here in our notes. The thing that stands out to me is the weight reduction.
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yeah, that to me, like, that's like reading everything here. It's like, whoa, really? They manage to cut out 26 pounds which, you know, that, you know, that's going to make a difference. yeah. So especially at that height for the bikes, it's, you know. Exactly. So not only did they manage to shave off a whopping 26 pounds of a bike, bringing it into the mid five hundreds range, which is pretty impressive.
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And that brings it in line with like the Triumph Tiger 1200. It's still a little bit heavier than the Multistrada, but that's a whole other it's its own thing. It's its own thing. And they bumped up the power. So now it's up to 145 horsepower and 110 pound feet of torque, which is about a ten ish horsepower bump from the last model and about like a ten, torque bump from the last model as well.
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So you've got less weight, more power, and that should help it kind of perform much better on and off road.
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Yeah. And a big chunk of that weight reduction too, is in the engine itself. Yeah. Like, yeah, the engine is smaller than last one, but I mean the CCS is you're getting a 1300 and exactly 1300 CC engine but they, they've managed to like bring the size and I think they, they've placed the gearbox underneath and they have like a new camshaft on there as well to the source.
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So there's a lot of just like space management and pretty much Yeah. Bring that down in reduces it's really a really cool engineering design. Yeah or so feet. Yeah they are yeah basically like it made the engine not necessarily smaller capacity wise but it made it more compact. Yes. Compact and smaller space. And that helps a reduce reduce the weight of the engine by £8 on the engine alone, which is crazy.
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And to further help lower the center of gravity, because now it kind of sits more aligned. Yeah. And these boxer engines that Jesus have there already have a very low center of gravity. We rode one the hour 1250 a couple of years ago. And I remember maneuvering that thing around the parking lot that we've mentioned. Yeah. Before a few times they actually were just like magnets.
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Like, it does not feel like a big bike. No. As soon as you get it moving. Yeah. It's scary approaching especially. Yeah. Or new riders. But if you get on it, you get it moving. You're like, this thing's actually really nice. Really go through some, like slow speed maneuvers and it's like this. I shouldn't be doing this, but it's doing it.
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Yeah, it's it's intimidating and heavy at first when you're, like, lifting it off the kickstand because you can feel that weight. Yeah, but once it's going, it's, it's gone that way. This disappears and it is a very stable bike and it's also super comfortable. Yeah, I remember sitting in that seat and I'm just like, my God, I can see why people will ride this for hours.
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Yeah, stop. Yeah, this is pretty cool. Just get that thing moving and yeah, that takes care of the rest. Yeah, it's pretty much, pretty much good to go. It does have a five gallon fuel tank, which I think is sounds a little bit low for an adventure bike. Yeah. And they haven't announced anything about it, like the adventure trim like they had for the previous model which has like the extended fuel tank and all that stuff.
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I wonder if that'd be like a mid mid-year. Yeah, I'm thinking. I'm thinking that as well. But it's kind of interesting because with when the updated to the R 1250 they announced both at the same time. So I'm kind of curious about where someone when the adventure is going to come in. Yeah. Because I feel like because what the adventure tank on the R top 50 that was seven gallon Yeah.
00:15:03:12 - 00:15:35:41
So it's yeah it's massive and I think that it's kind of cool that it's like if they bring that in because they will kind of put it in line with the triumph, the tiger or yeah, the tiger 1200 the Explorer. yeah. Rally Explorer Rally Explorer. Because those have like a 6.5 something gallon fuel tank at 6.1, not quite seven, but yeah, so it's a massive fuel tank and I'm kind of surprised that they didn't have an adventure trim come out with this, but maybe they have something else planned for it.
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Further weight reduction comes from the chassis being lighter, like the overall frame. The rear subframe is now aluminum, so it's so it feels much lighter and it's also more rigid. So it's supposed to be much better off road and have a lot more like feedback and response and just overall better handling. And it should go without saying that the because of like the new engine gearbox and everything like that, that chassis is also lighter because they redesigned it as well.
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They didn't just like swap out material. It's a whole new chassis. yeah, it's a whole new chassis and yeah, that's a lot of the weight comes from there. But overall basically between the engine and the, the transmission and the new camshaft and everything like that, the drive train alone was reduced by £14.3. So that's a crazy amount of weight in just the drive train alone.
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And then the rest of the weight reduction comes from the chassis and all that stuff, all that stuff in between. And like I said, better, a better center of gravity and stuff because of the new the newly designed engine. Yes. So that's going to play a lot into your power to weight ratio. So £26 on there. You know with the new engine design I was reading in here too, is that they were able to get a better air fuel mixture.
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There. The ratio on there was like it's more effective. Yeah, Yeah. and also it's like they, they change the, the valve timing. Okay. So yes. So it's more efficient. Well it's, it's getting a better air, it's getting a better mixture but the fuel capacity or the fuel consumption. So on the fuel consumption is like they've managed to keep that the same, which is pretty awesome that, you know, it goes up in size.
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But I feel like that weight reduction also helped kind of even even that out. So snafus. Yeah. Yes. It's crazy and the one and it's liquid there was a before it was released there was rumors out that it was going to be a purely air cooled engine, but it's still a mix of both air and liquid cooled or sorry yeah.
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Before the new is going to be fully liquid cooled I think I said air cooled. yeah, yeah, yeah. So before it came out, there was rumors that was going to be a fully liquid cooled engine. However, it's not so a mix of air and liquid cooled just like the predecessor. But I think it's more streamlined looking and stuff.
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But I mean, those cylinders stick out far enough that I feel like air cola is just going to be naturally, naturally there. We're going, Well, you talked to like an hour 19 rider. They'll tell you that all air cooled cylinders, I mean, your feet are baking. yeah. Yeah, I bet. Yeah. And, and I think it's kind of cool that basically the same engine set up this boxer twin with a driveshaft has been around basically all of BMW motorcycling history.
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Yeah. Their original engine was that similar configuration. Yeah. If it works, if it works like a frame broke, don't fix it right there. However the saying goes. So moving on from the engine and drive train. Let's talk a little bit about the electronics. And basically it's got four writing or new writing modes on the standard. You get four riding modes, range road, Eco and enduro, which is like they're off road mode and the enduro mode is kind of similar to what we have like our off road modes on our bikes as shuts off the rear abs a allows for more wheel serve the traction controls less but less aggressive and all of that
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stuff. And an eco mode is something we don't have. But basically that cuts the throttle response, kind of makes the engine run more efficiently. So if you want to squeeze out as many miles you can out of your fuel tank, that's where the eco mode kind of comes into play. Yeah. And then further for riding modes, they do have optional modes that you can get part of the package upgrade.
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right. And that is their dynamic and dynamic Pro and Enduro Pro and all of those as dynamic is kind of like the more sport mode and dynamic Pro and enduro Pro. They allow further user customization and how to basically how much engine braking you want, how much traction control, how much abs and kind of all of those things and kind of allow the user to tailor them to how they how they like to use the bike.
00:20:18:21 - 00:20:44:13
Yeah. And then with those riding modes. So the is a do you know because you know more about the GSEs and BMW than I do about those packages have that's not subscription as we joke about all the time. No no it is we are sticking by like each mode individually or do you have to buy like the dynamic and the enduro.
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So I think the the riding modes package is like as a whole. So it's like an option, like a the entire package as a whole. It's not tiered. Then you can sell a package of. But I did think what is cool is that on this bike they I mean BMW is kind of known for having like their packages, accessory packages and stuff on their bikes, but they actually do have a lot of accessories and options.
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You can get optional equipment, you can get a la carte, so you can pick each one individually, which I thought was really nice. But they so do have the different packages as well, and I'll go over those in a minute.
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I'm going to throw a little salt and all the sweetness your throw on the bike. I mean, I think it's a great package as well.
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But like the one thing we we saw reading through the features, it has a USB charging and we were joking like for this money know you need to sell a USB a socket. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, come on, we could have at least put Usb-c in there with some like faster charging. So it can support like, you know, real problems.
00:21:45:20 - 00:22:02:49
Yeah. Like more power coming through and just have like a lost phone compartment or actually Yeah. Yeah. They can keep your phone which I think is cool because it sends air through it so your phone doesn't overheat in there either, which is like a cool idea. But I'm like, come on, like usb-c. Even cars are starting to have that.
00:22:02:49 - 00:22:35:31
The friggin new Toyotas have usb-c. And I'm like, You can put that in there. They screw things moving to that. And that's all we're saying is thanks BMW for the awesome bike but what no Usb-c Yeah and and no Apple CarPlay or Android Auto and I've been over this several times on this podcast saying like you have this 6.5 inch TFT Yeah, plenty of room but no, no, you can't have Apple CarPlay even though other there's a couple of BMW motorcycles that do have it.
00:22:35:33 - 00:22:43:21
Yeah, the Honda Africa twin has it, but the rest of the manufacturer needs to catch up.
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The audacity of us who can't afford these bikes, right? Talking about get these features, make it more expensive. Yeah. I feel like I don't know how, like, expensive Apple CarPlay would be to add, but if it's wired, like, if it's wireless, that's even better.
00:22:57:07 - 00:23:15:38
But if it's at least wired because you have the compartment and so where you can keep your phone. Yeah, it'd be the perfect setup to put Apple CarPlay on the screen. But I think BMW also like sells kind of their Garmin BMW like navigation units. I'm willing to bet there's a lot of business decisions that kind of keep it.
00:23:15:47 - 00:23:37:50
Yeah. Keep him from wanting to put that in because they want people to buy their little navigation cradle and then hook up the GPS to it. But it's all ridiculous because I'm like, You have this giant screen. Like we can utilize it for better stuff than just what they provide, but they won't. You want to cause play like, you know, a Dakar bike?
00:23:37:55 - 00:24:05:11
Yeah. Someone can make an app that looks like the the rally directions and put it on an Apple CarPlay screen. I think that would be awesome. But yeah, thank you for bringing that up because like a USB a socket when the usb-c is basically becoming the norm everywhere else. And while a cool concept of having the little phone cradle in there to keep your phone, I think it's a really missed opportunity to kind of add that little bit of extra convenience.
00:24:05:15 - 00:24:23:56
Honestly, I bet it was just like one of those simple oversights. It's like for timing of design and just like it could be like money and business decision probably has something to do with it too. Yeah, because they already have it on I think the case 1600. So I don't see why they can't add Apple CarPlay to the GS.
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And even if do, this is supposed to be out where you can't get cell service. Yeah. And even then like Yeah. And that's a fair point. You can still get like regular GPS and it's not and it's not like it's forcing you to use. Yeah. Apple CarPlay I think it's just it'd be nice to have the option to do it, especially with having you would just be saying, yeah, you would need Apple Maps to find a Starbucks on your.
00:24:49:23 - 00:25:13:20
Yes you would. So yeah. And then further in electronics they do have the new headlight. Yeah, I was about to bring that up so and I do have a picture of the bike here that I forgot to fill up for. Those are watchable really bad at that very rare kind of bad of that but the new headlight and let me see if I can find a good picture.
00:25:13:24 - 00:25:15:16
Okay apparently I forgot to
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flip that around to show the audience audio listeners. Too bad. Yeah it it's an X. Yeah, it's an X. So for those of you that are listening, it's kind of like an X shape with a round squarish round led bulb directly in the middle. And I'm not the biggest fan I know it kind of looks okay.
00:25:37:30 - 00:25:54:08
I don't think it looks terrible, but it doesn't look iconic. Like if you pull up one of the pictures, I know we can't really see the the light of the headlight all too well in any of these. Well, what does it for me is I wouldn't say that it looks bad, like it looks like a really nice, well-put-together bike.
00:25:54:12 - 00:26:11:58
But what does it for me is like that That GS headlight was like, you know, Yeah, I even remember in some of like, they're like a year or two ago when they were doing a press announcement for the new refresh. Yeah, they just had an outline as the opener graphic opening graphics and you had like, Yeah, you knew, You knew.
00:26:12:00 - 00:26:28:14
Yep. And now it's this. And so it's just like, I mean, one of the pictures we are reviewing, if I'm passing somebody on a road and I see that headlight design come up, it's like I'm not like I'm not going to know. It just kind of blends. Yeah. You know, I think if they keep going with this design, you kind of get used to it after a while.
00:26:28:14 - 00:27:00:52
Sure. Like it doesn't look bad. Yeah, I don't think it's bad, but it to me, who? You know, I think, wow, geez. You know, I can be out with know I can be out with some friends or somebody at this point be like, look, that's a that's a BMW. Yeah, exactly. And I just feel like it's kind of missing that iconic look that, Yeah, the gas has and basically how that's entire life it's except for like the very early models but even then they were, they were asymmetrical like yeah, it kind of always had this kind of like weird like, like big headlight and then like small running light and stuff on the
00:27:00:52 - 00:27:20:33
side of it. And I always thought it looked it's cool. It was square, it was barky, it looked rugged. I really like that. So I'm a little bummed that they redesign it, but I'm glad it doesn't look like boring or terrible. It's not the trans ALP, it's not the trans ALP. But on the bright side of this headlight, it is like you're saying the new matrix.
00:27:20:38 - 00:27:40:07
Matrix LED. Yeah, Matrix LED. I didn't know what that was. You explained it to me basically what the Matrix OLED and a lot of cars, again, this is kind of like shine on different spots. So if you have like a car coming up or if you're coming up behind the car and kind of like them, one specific area of the light but still keep the light shining.
00:27:40:12 - 00:27:59:35
So that's standard. But then if you upgrade to the Headlight Pro, it also does like corner lighting and it actually auto levels itself. So if you're breaking, if you're going over bumps, the light will stay facing forward, which the older guys had as well. The whole light like mode basically which I think is a pretty cool feature. Yeah.
00:27:59:40 - 00:28:17:38
Design wise. One of the things I do, like as you can see the picture here is that they kept the beak. Yeah. Over there. And I think that's a very good look for any adventure bike as a throwback to episode one with the Trans Owl. That's how you do a beak. Yeah. You know, the big the trans. I've just kind of looks like a sub nose.
00:28:17:38 - 00:28:40:00
Yeah, it's like a Voldemort. Just nose cut off. Yeah. Yeah. So BMW there, they got that form going at least. Yeah, they did keep a really nice beak, but it's just. Yeah. Just blends. The headlight just doesn't. I don't know. It just doesn't do it for me. It'll probably grow. I feel like it'll grow on me, but at the start it's kind of just not looking how I imagine the would.
00:28:40:05 - 00:29:18:54
Yeah. Other electronics include there's optional active cruise control, so it'll match the speed of the car in front of you. Front collision warning will slow itself down, which I think is kind of cool on the bike and blind spot monitoring which the both the tiger 1200 and the new multistrada both have which I think is interesting. It's just like we talked about, you know, features and tech coming in and it just it trickles down and watch soon that blind spot monitoring and all those features will eventually trickle down to lower and lower tier bikes does have an optional heated seat for both passenger and rider and the other.
00:29:19:01 - 00:29:44:59
You know, the competition has as well. Yep. And it's got a new S.O.S. button, which I thought was interesting. Same with the new F 900. Yes, I missed that part. So it's basically kind of like I'm not sure exactly how it works, I think, but I guess it's similar to like OnStar. You get on cars. So if you're in the wreck or a crash and kind of just hit that by then automatically start contacting the necessary like people.
00:29:45:03 - 00:30:13:05
And I'm not sure if I don't think it's available in all countries and stuff, so I'm not 100% sure on that. Yeah, but that's the electronics. And then next we can talk about we already talked about the engine and the drive train. Do we mention power output? We did with 845 horsepower at 707,750 R.P.M. and £110 feet of torque at 6500 R.P.M..
00:30:13:17 - 00:30:39:05
Yeah. Which is a you know it's is above what the previous. Yeah. The predecessor is and what I thought was a really interesting thing so and they mention this specifically in the press release is that you got more than £96 feet of torque available for anywhere from 3570 800 R.P.M. Peppy which is really nice, especially if you are doing offroading.
00:30:39:08 - 00:31:00:21
That low range torque really helps kind of keep the bike, keep the momentum going, know all about low range torque at lower speeds. Yeah, you got a lot of talk and like what, 4000 R.P.M.? Three three. Yeah, yeah. Your bike is a tractor. It just goes forward. I got that thing up the hill in second gear at like maybe 2000, I think.
00:31:00:21 - 00:31:26:09
Just Yeah, it has all its power down low, which I love that it's fun. It's so much fun. And did you want to talk to them about the. The suspension and the brakes. Yeah I can I got mine up here as well. One thing is I guess I can start with that tell when you tell a lever system so spaced like the monoshock and how it connects like the forks to the body and I guess the handlebar obviously.
00:31:26:09 - 00:31:50:26
Yeah. For those of you that are unfamiliar, several BMW models use what they call a tumble lever suspension and that basically kind of there's no fork seals to worry about because it's just all in that giant monoshock in the middle. Yeah, but they kind of redesigned that and kind of made it made a little bit better off road.
00:31:50:31 - 00:32:14:42
Yeah. So we we've talked about where I think it shaves off like what for. Yeah, like £3.9. But just by switching up the materials that they had used previously from there. So because that is a whole new chassis you, you know, you're, it's more, it's going to be more stiff as they put it. Yeah. Rigid. Rigid. Yeah. Reinforced.
00:32:14:47 - 00:32:43:02
And what that's going to do for you is you're going to get a little bit more better feedback off road, but from what we're reading is that it's you'll still be comfortable on road. Yeah. You can still do like long miles from there. And then what else they do with the SI One of the big advantages that the tiller lever has over traditional forks is the fact that it does not have a nosedive basically on their heart breaking.
00:32:43:07 - 00:33:06:48
yeah. Traditional suspension is definitely is usually like susceptible to. But in this iteration they basically made it so but one of the biggest complaints so that the the nice thing is that it doesn't have the nosedive that fork dive like under hard breaking but the drawback is that a lot of people say has less feedback off road.
00:33:06:48 - 00:33:27:52
So what they try to do here is kind of balance that out between the two. So the new set up allows for more feedback in in your handlebars off roading, but also keeps it from diving forward. Yeah, I mean we both ride tall bikes, we know. yeah, I like my bike like it lunges forward every time I hit the brakes.
00:33:28:03 - 00:33:45:36
Well, when I had to take my bike into the shop for a broken fork seal, that was scary just because like you right? Yeah. I didn't have any way to get it there. So it's like, Well, I guess I'm going for a ride, so. And something like that. Yeah, like it was crazy. It's kind of a nice benefit to kind of not worry about that.
00:33:45:41 - 00:34:03:00
Yeah, I guess with the tell lever. sorry. I'll let you finish. So I was going to say that's one and basically that's one of the benefits is like you don't have to worry about the, the leaks or the fork leaks and things like that. And you have a driveshaft saying and have to worry about chain maintenance.
00:34:03:00 - 00:34:19:30
That's kind of one of the other reasons why this bike is so popular for long distance trips. You just made me depressing it. Clean my chain. I know. Me too. I have a clean mine, and so long I. I clean mine moreso than you, I think. But because of our ride to Bear Lake, I haven't cleaned the since.
00:34:19:35 - 00:34:44:46
I haven't clean this. And some say, damn it. You know, I need to clean myself. But the back to the Toliver I was saying is like with the different options that you have, you do have options for like automatic adjustments like by your rider mode. They have height adjustment as well. Yeah. yeah. That's new. Yeah. That's kind of like what the, the the pan America that America the Triumph added it now to.
00:34:44:51 - 00:35:03:20
yeah. 2023 or 2020 for model year and next year. And then Ducati does that as well. I believe so basically all of the big adventure bikes minus the Honda now have actually though the new Honda Adventure Sport. They announced that today. Yeah. so basically all of them, when you come to a stop, they kind of lower themselves down.
00:35:03:20 - 00:35:23:46
So you have a little bit more so you can basically plant your feet down on the ground these and we talk to this guy because we had us a little bit on the on the Pan America. yeah yeah yeah addressing so yeah and then it's a cool idea. So no I think it's really cool. Yeah. If your height challenged Yeah.
00:35:23:51 - 00:35:53:12
And then the rest suspension is basically it comes with adjustable suspension out of the box, but you can also upgrade to electronic suspension. Yeah. Which works with different riding modes and things like that as well. Yeah. No it's, Yeah, it's really cool. Yeah. So I was also reading on their way with the braking. They have new designed discs and calipers.
00:35:53:17 - 00:36:18:31
Yeah, I think they're I don't know if they're newly designed, but they're new. Yeah. New to the series. Yeah. That, that's it. New. That's Yes. Yeah. Like are calipers and discs. So they're supposed to provide you more stopping power. Just be better overall and they still have their linked braking. So if you pull the pull the brake lever, the front brake lever also activates the rear brake as well without having to push both.
00:36:18:36 - 00:36:41:23
Yeah, but if you switch to riding modes, like if you put in an enduro that turns that feature off so you can let the back wheel slide without affecting the front and vice versa and things like that. Yeah. Which helps helps a lot in off road situations and things like that. It also does have a three wheel options.
00:36:41:27 - 00:37:03:56
So that cast aluminum wheel. So like it's a motorcycle, three wheels. No, no, no. It's not a Harley. It's on a truck. It's not a trike. No, it's got three different wheel types you can get for the bike. So cast aluminum, that's kind of what Castle Luminaires For more touring setup and highway touring cross spoke cross spoke wheels.
00:37:03:56 - 00:37:23:38
And then the new one, which was interesting is the Enduro forged Wheels, which I'm actually not quite sure what that means and explain it very well. No, but apparently they weigh £3.9 less than the spoked wheels, so it's kind of like even further weight reduction if you decide to get that. Yeah. Which I think is kind of interesting.
00:37:23:38 - 00:37:46:32
I'm kind of curious to see how and what they do or how they look. I didn't really specify in their press release which one is which. Yeah, so I'm not sure there. But yeah, overall just big improvements in handling and stability on the suspension, which I think will help out a lot both on and on and off road.
00:37:46:32 - 00:38:27:16
Yeah. And then moving on, we have the trims, they have the basic triple black jazz trophy and then the chairman Trump and Tanner and Tanner, basically all of those, they, they have some additional equipment compared to the base and then you get different colors and things like that, which is pretty par for the course for BMW. Yeah. And then for standard equipment and this they specifically mentioned this in the press release, which I thought was interesting and includes braking service in the price, which I'm like, okay, that's like 2000 bucks.
00:38:27:16 - 00:38:50:48
Yeah, depending where you go. Yeah, it does have heated grips. It has your favorite keyless ride on across the entire trim. I you know, I haven't ridden one, you know. Yeah, we rode Was that keyless? I don't remember. I think it might have been. I can't remember that. I don't know. I have keyless. I hate it. I love my bike.
00:38:50:54 - 00:39:17:59
Scrambler is amazing. I'm going to continue to whine about this and yeah, like, probably until the end of days. But hopefully on on the GS, it's a little bit maybe hopefully it's like a better system. At least I hope it is, or I hope it stays connected between the two much better than you know, than it does in terms Honestly, this year it hasn't been that bad cause I finally managed to change the battery.
00:39:18:00 - 00:39:34:57
Okay, that's good. But at the same time it's like, you know, if I, if I go out and I start my bike and I have it in neutral, it's like, I forgot something. I run, run back inside. Yeah. Then I come out and then there's like the error message. key not in range. And that's at least started out after he started because it'll, it'll stay on.
00:39:34:59 - 00:40:00:03
Okay. But I'll still have like the little like warning light for the car that's out of range. It's literally in my pocket. Yeah. It does come with the tire pressure monitoring system dynamic. Traction control system on the base. Yeah, it's standard standard equipment, dynamic traction control. So you can turn off the traction control if you need to engine drag, basically like engine braking adjustment.
00:40:00:03 - 00:40:26:42
And so you can adjust the how much engine braking or do dynamic brake assist, which is their dual like braking hill hold which is pretty neat. What is that because again I don't know the link braking. No no no. Hill Hold. so if you're on the hill and you switch into first gear and let go of the clutch, it'll basically hold the bike, apply the brakes automatically so you can see you have to do it yourself.
00:40:26:56 - 00:40:48:54
Kind of like a lot of some manual cars have it where so basically prevented from rolling backwards on the hill if you're starting out it's I think it's for like a brief second and it kind of just gives you a little bit of an interesting look, a little help to kind of get you going. Yeah, Cruise control, which I feel like should be standard on any adventure bike at this point.
00:40:48:54 - 00:41:13:48
Yeah, that shouldn't even be like a yeah, that's like, plus you get this. I should like, it's there. Yeah. And then matrix over my headlight for ride modes, the USB socket and then the emergency call back button. You almost had usb-c didn't you. Yeah, I almost did because it needs to be Usb-c It just makes sense for everything to be that at this point in time.
00:41:13:50 - 00:41:38:51
Yeah, well, how fancy everything is to like. Yeah. These look that apple got into Usb-c BMW can do it too. Did this put on the bike? Yeah, that's true. They're going to add it as a subscription service and then the optional equipment you got the premium package, comfort package and endura package. Kind of self-explanatory, but with the premium package, you do get the headlight pro.
00:41:38:51 - 00:42:02:18
So it's the auto leveling cornering headlight that kind of moves itself around. You get the dynamic suspension. So electronic suspension, you get the quick shifter. As I said, you get the pro riding modes and you get the nav, which is going to be my conspiracy for why they didn't put Apple CarPlay in there. And you also get the luggage racks included, not the luggage, just Iraq's comfort package.
00:42:02:18 - 00:42:34:56
So the first thing you want to do after you buy a 20 something thousand dollar bike is spend more money on your like exactly. And then comfort package that includes a electronically adjustable windshield. So moves up and down electronically. Yep. Center stand which I think should be standard on an adventure bike I think understands should be standard on almost most bikes and they should be standard if it has a chain it needs a center stand similar bikes.
00:42:35:00 - 00:43:07:44
Yes but yeah I mean you don't have Sorry, I'm really sorry. But if you don't have a center stand like it's a game changer and makes everything so much easier because yeah, when I got my center stand, I made oil changes or oil changes. It made the oil changes still, but like the chain made this go from like, you know, 15 to 20 minutes of rolling it up and down my driveway to, I don't know, about 5 minutes of just spinning the wheel and just spraying it down and calling it good.
00:43:07:53 - 00:43:30:41
It's so much easier. And then for the enduro package, it has a handlebar riser make it a little easier for standing right in Standing up Crash bar is for for the engine some some card it's actually got short levers for the brake in the clutch. So it kind of helps because off roading you're more likely using like the two fingers.
00:43:30:41 - 00:43:51:41
So you always have more control over the thought about wanting to switch out my I thought about that too. Yeah. Just kind of make it look cooler as well. Yeah. Adjustable footrests exhaust mount for exhaust mount for a single seat. I don't remember what I meant by that. So we're just going to ignore. That's what the exhaust mount for.
00:43:51:41 - 00:44:22:12
Single seat. Okay. I don't know why I wrote that, and I can't remember what I was talking about. So scratch that adjustable shift and rear brake lovers frame guards and then turn signal stocks. And the reason that is in the Enduro package is the the non enduro models. They basically the turn signals are integrated into the hand, the hand guards, which I was like, okay, that's cool.
00:44:22:17 - 00:44:41:44
But if you drop it off road and the handlebar brakes, you can be spending a lot of money trying to fix that. And then I saw that they do have turn signal stocks on the enduro package. So I'm like, okay, that's good because if you're taking off road, you probably don't want those things to break or to pay a lot of money to replace your your hand guards.
00:44:41:49 - 00:45:02:17
Yeah, And I think most people will probably still stick like bark busters or something a little bit stronger. Yeah. On their Yeah. And then, and then they just goes on to individual options which include like you can get heated seats separately, you can get the sport, you can get sports suspension, which is like the opposite of offer. It's a bit stiffer.
00:45:02:22 - 00:45:30:56
Did you have the akrapovic exhaust horse you can get optional. Another thing you want to do after spending $20,000, exactly 1800 on luggage is those are 2000. I'm on an approach. Those enduro forged wheels. They have various handlebar options. You can get the cross spoke wheels and gold and black. Everyone should probably get gold because I think it just looks better and then different different seat heights as well.
00:45:30:57 - 00:45:58:29
So you have low, high and then standard, standard high. And then they just have a whole list of different accessories is you can get anything from just simple kind of cosmetic things where, you know, chrome versus blacked out like, yeah, oil caps and things like that. Think pads that take bags and panniers obviously, cause I don't think you see a gas without panniers on it.
00:45:58:33 - 00:46:27:36
Fair. Yeah, sure. And floor. That's true. And even then even then they're not even that they got the auxiliary lights so you got more sump guard frame protectors, radiator headlight guards, alarm system, a whole plethora of different options and everything like that additional power socket. My triumph has to. I'm just saying, BMW, come on. Yeah. And some of those options do.
00:46:27:36 - 00:46:56:04
Come on. Those pack trims that I mentioned earlier, like the trophy comes with the Endura package and radiator guard spoked wheels. The triple black comes with like the center stand and things like that as well. So yeah, so yeah, so it's a pretty well-rounded package. Yeah. And it's nice because it starts at 18,900, which is expensive, but for a GS, not the, not the craziest starting price.
00:46:56:04 - 00:47:14:42
Yeah. Not too bother. You find that price in the dealers. I honestly don't know because, you know, dealers love markups and it's going to be a popular bike. So I feel like and I feel like it's going to be one of those bikes where people are probably going to be more inclined to spend more to kind of get more of the equipment right off the bat.
00:47:14:42 - 00:47:35:31
Yeah. Instead of buying stuff separately. So I doubt we'll see any for like that $18,000 price tag. I want to bet it's going to be in the like 20 to 25, 27,000 or so for for the most part, and when it hits the shelves, but which is pretty comparable to the current and the current generation. Yeah. And we have a release date on this.
00:47:35:31 - 00:48:02:09
I couldn't we do not have an actual release date, but it's supposed to be hitting dealers in February or not February. Sorry, winter of 2020 for winter of 20. Okay. Yeah. So, so next winter, basically just in a few months here. And that's pretty much par for the course on their previous release because the RS 1250 that was released in January or February and that's when it started being sold in dealers and stuff like that.
00:48:02:11 - 00:48:23:38
Yeah. And hopefully we'll try to visit our local BMW dealer when it does hit the shelves or the showroom floor. Hopefully. I'm hoping that they have demos. If not, then we can at least look at it in person and maybe we can make we can we can ask very nicely if they'll let us take one out for a ride if they do have a demo.
00:48:23:42 - 00:48:45:44
Yeah. Which they did before. So hopefully for this one they do. And I think BMW and I think a lot of the European motorcyclists a pretty good at providing demos and dealers. Yeah. The only dealership I've been to it's like we don't, we don't do demo, we don't have demos with Honda. Yeah. So and I remember like it was a Honda World, I'll call them out.
00:48:45:48 - 00:49:09:20
They were very stingy with the test drive when I was shopping for my Yeah. CB Yeah, yeah. Well, the guy like, came with me. He rode in like a separate bike, so I had to, like, follow him and things like that. Yeah, I didn't the buying from them because they never got back to my phone call. But then I test rode a like young as well and they were just like I just, you know, take 30 minutes or whatever.
00:49:09:20 - 00:49:33:50
I didn't care. Yeah, Yeah. So which has how it should be. Right. And that's just like a limited time demo. Yeah. No, for sure. But hopefully we'll be able to get our hands on it because I really want to see try this thing in person. Then I feel bad that I don't have the money to buy it. Yeah, which is why we, you know, let's make this like an official press source and then we can exactly record them.
00:49:33:54 - 00:49:57:17
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00:50:23:31 - 00:50:40:57
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00:50:40:57 - 00:51:04:24
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00:51:04:24 - 00:51:24:42
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00:51:24:47 - 00:51:46:36
What are your thoughts? I'm I think it's nice to see like, some of like those little bits and bobs, like being updated or staying updated. You know, I think the seat adjustment thing was a nice little competition. Yeah. You know, push back. So I agree. You know, so just things like that. Like I said, the headlight, it's not bad, but it doesn't.
00:51:46:41 - 00:52:08:54
It just doesn't have like the same standout. Yeah. Like the previous. I agree. And, but the overall design is too I think it's not that good. It's not bad. What I think I like about the style is that it feels like a true upgrade, like a true update. It doesn't feel like a small iteration. It doesn't feel like, you know, we just slightly improved over the last one.
00:52:08:54 - 00:52:34:44
Like it's got a slight power on the bike. Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's not like, we bumped up the engine power in and call it a good basically and, but no less weight, more power. New features like new suspension, like it is truly like a fully new. Yeah. A new bike. Well it's like, it's like triumph going from the old 1200 to the new 1200 where it's like with a tiger update.
00:52:34:44 - 00:52:54:09
Yeah, exactly. It's it's like a whole new redesigned, redesigned bike to bring it in line to the competition. Yeah. And make it perform better off and on road and props to BMW. I think they pulled it off pretty well even though. Yeah, I do too. The design might not be my favorite. I mean, it's just I had like, Yeah, yeah, I'm going to make jokes.
00:52:54:09 - 00:53:18:58
Obviously we joke about all the matter of fact. Yeah. Really? So but no, I agree with you there is that it was a I think this is nice to see that we're Yeah. Because I even think in a few episodes you'll even mention like what else can you do with adventure bikes at this point and apparently BMW so yeah yeah it's this and seen that weight reduction is probably one of my 011 of the percent.
00:53:19:01 - 00:53:42:16
One of the biggest things that caught my eye is because £26 as a 26 five for a 2626. Yeah yeah. £26 is a lot of weight to shave off off a motorcycle. I mean it doesn't sound that much because I can lift £26 and I'm just like, you know, on paper or like in your brain like, look, it's, it's £26.
00:53:42:16 - 00:54:04:03
Like, how much should that be? But then you think like, the thing weighs £540. Yeah. So it's like, okay, so weight almost 560 before that, like, yeah, So that's a crazy I mean, I take it back to like when I switched out the stock exhaust of my Honda Rebel, that big giant, you know, cannon exhaust to like that little tiny shortie I put on there.
00:54:04:05 - 00:54:26:20
Yeah. You know, and like, and that was a good like I'd say maybe £15. Yeah. So and even on that little bike, like, I notice a difference. The weight. Yeah, weight makes a big difference. And even if it's a few pounds shaved off, it's still an improvement because it does help. The bike helps a lot with handling, helps a lot with performance, fuel consumption and everything like that.
00:54:26:21 - 00:54:51:29
So is like walking in your park, you know, And that's that's probably the biggest standout feature for me from that bike is the fact that they were able to shave off £26 while still adding more power and adding like all the new features and stuff. So yeah, pretty impressive. I'm really excited to see this in person, to see this bike in person, and likewise, hopefully, hopefully ride it and give give it a shot.
00:54:51:34 - 00:55:19:51
Yeah. So I think that's pretty much all the thoughts I had on that. Yeah. Knows same here. So yeah, I guess the last thing I'd like to bring up is a little shout out. A little shout out. Don reached out to us. He has returned to riding after 30 years. He's up in the northwest to believe. He says, Yeah, yeah, I'm in Washington, rocking an 87 Honda gold wing.
00:55:20:04 - 00:55:48:34
That's a pretty that's a pretty sweet bike there, Don. Yeah. So and I read your email and is you right up to Vancouver and up to B.C. with your buddies and stuff like that, which makes me super because that's the area that I hopefully I hope to live in in the future one day. And yeah, it's, yeah, it's one of my goals to go up there and ride so through Washington, through B.C. and Vancouver and stuff.
00:55:48:34 - 00:56:07:48
So that's, that's pretty awesome. Thank you for reaching out, reaching out and thank you for listening and welcome back to writing. Yeah, that's awesome. So anyways, like you guys, if you have any comments and want to chat with us, so food issue that's in the email and we're always, we're always super excited to hear from you. It's kind of a matter of your favorite parts.
00:56:07:48 - 00:56:28:35
I love it. Yeah. So anyways, thank you so much for listening. This was a, this is a lot of information in this episode, but I was very excited about this year. This bike. Yeah. Even though I'm not a BMW rider, I do respect I do respect what they put out on their bikes and stuff. So. So yeah, this is the same.
00:56:28:35 - 00:56:37:50
Yeah, I was very excited to talk about this. But anyways, thank you guys so much for listening and we'll see you in a couple of weeks. Yeah, we're back. We're back. Have a good one.