Episode 9 - CF Moto, Lots of Features at an Accessible Price

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We're going. We're going. Okay, we're going. Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Two Dudes Talking Motorcycles podcast. My name is Mitch and my name is Gleb. And today we are talking about motorcycles. Wow. No way. I am shocked. All right. But before we get into the topic, be sure to follow us on social media and you can follow the podcast at tdt motorcycles on Instagram and you can follow me @gleblapham on Instagram and TikTok and me @ meech2dbeech on Instagram.

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 That's pretty much all I have now. But yeah, so go. So be sure to follow us and be sure to email us your topics, feedback, suggestions, etc.. At tdtmotorcycles@gmail.com. That's it. That's the one. As I write. tdtmotorcycles@gmail.com. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's. I don't know why I forgot for a second.

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 Okay. And today we are talking about CFMoto because we got a chance to ride a couple of their bikes. We rode two bikes each. Each of us rode different ones because they were kind of doing a demo tour, and local dealers here are starting to get them. So we thought it'd be a good idea to check them out because we've talked about them on the podcast here before and we always start that, you know, with their lower entry, lower level price point.

00;01;30;03 - 00;01;52;06

 They're kind of a good like a good first bike or like a potential first bike to get because of their low cost of entry. Yeah, but we never rode one until a couple of weeks ago. So we figured, you know, since we've talked about them on here before, it'll be a good idea for us to go and ride them, which we finally did.

00;01;52;07 - 00;02;17;22

 So now we have some better idea of CFMoto and what they're all about. For those of you that aren't familiar, CFMoto is a Chinese motorcycle brand and they are partnered with KTM. I think that's. Yeah, I actually didn't know that till you found that out, so. Oh, yeah. That was actually really cool to hear that. They’re partnered with KTM, they manufacture, some ktm's bikes and their factory in China and then through Ktm's like network.

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 I guess they're kind of making their way here. Yeah, into the United States. But it's a Chinese brand and they're motorcycles. I mean, they cover the for I mean, pretty much the standard range. Yeah. I think the one they don't have like a cruiser and a dirt bike. Yeah. So yeah, I think so. But again, anywhere from naked bikes, sports bikes, venture bikes, adventure bike to sport, touring bikes.

00;02;40;06 - 00;03;17;03

 So all of that stuff at a fairly low price point relative to a lot of other manufacturers, especially the European manufacturers. Yeah. Yeah. So we just had to go try those out and they were we have some thoughts on them so you know, have some thoughts really quick though. Just throw it out there. Like while we're talking about it at the time of us recording this or a few days earlier, one of our listeners, David, he let us know he actually got one of these Komodo bikes, the 450 SS So I'm curious to know what he has to say after riding it for a little bit and oh yeah, thing from there.

00;03;17;03 - 00;03;33;18

 So thanks for letting us know, David, and thanks for sharing the pictures and if hopefully you're listening to this episode as well, we would love to hear a follow up email from you once you've had it for like a couple of months, maybe like three months, put some miles on it. Yeah. Let us know. Uh, let us know what you think.

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 There's a mosquito right by my face. Sorry. Hopefully you didn't hear that on the mic, but, yeah, let us know what you think of the bike, because we're curious. Because we only got a short little ride on them, and it was a free ride. So our experience is very limited and we only got to try to each. Yeah, we only got to try to each.

00;03;51;12 - 00;04;05;06

 Would you like to start with yours? Yeah, I can go into it. Should I be happy or should I go for or should I go for like the one I liked or the one that I wasn't the biggest fan of. First, just go with the bad news out of the way first and walk into that one out of the way.

00;04;05;08 - 00;04;27;11

 So it was actually the second bike I rode that day. I got to ride the 650 Adventura. It's a sport tour and I think we have a picture of it. Oh, yeah, On there. Pull it up. Yep. Just one and here is just there. Oh, yeah. There for us. A photo as well. So, you know, not necessarily a bad looking bike by any means.

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 One really nice cool thing about that bike is it comes with the panniers. Oh really? Okay. And not only that, but it's a 650 engine in there. Panniers included slipper clutch, adjustable front suspension, upside down suspension forks on there and dual disc brakes. It's a it's got some package to it like Yeah. As rider modes and everything like that on there.

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 All for less than $7,000. That's I mean that's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. For all the stuff that comes with. Yeah. You know so is so on paper and as a package it looked it looks like a good, a good time. The seat was a little more comfortable than the other ones but still not the best. What really killed me on this bike, though, was just the it.

00;05;20;03 - 00;05;43;21

 I was able to max it out really quick. Really, really quick. Like wherever you go on the highway, I mean, I had like I had that throttle all the way up and then that would and I barely got it going like 60 miles an hour. But I will throw in a disclaimer. These are demo bikes. We don't know what kind of abuse or what what they've been through beforehand.

00;05;43;23 - 00;05;59;29

 The throttle was a little off. I did feel that like there was something wrong with the throttle. I think for sure. But even then, like even maxing it out and pulling through it just I mean, I was able to max out the tachometer, too. Was it a was it a ride by wire or did it have an actual cable, a throttle cable?

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 I think it was a ride by wire. I, I have to double check. Okay. So but it wouldn't have be the cable issue. Actually, no, no. Actually might be a cable in them. Okay. Because if it was something loose or something, something wasn't with the bike, like I had to like, I basically had to like pop of wheelie on it almost just to get it going in there because there was something wrong with the bike bike.

00;06;21;20 - 00;06;59;00

 And that's not that's not speaking any ill will toward the brand or the build quality. You know, I think that was just, just how it went that day for me. Yeah. So I guess I did get kind of like a bad taste in my mouth over it from that alone, mostly just because of like, yeah, it was very slow and you know, just even like full throttle tachometer all the way maxed out, revving this thing to, you know, just to get it to a safe speed on the highway and did not enjoy it so and but do you think for the cost.

00;06;59;02 - 00;07;21;03

 Oh yeah it's it's an okay bike. No I mean less than seven grand and you're getting like Yeah, you're getting like they call it an adventure bike. I wouldn't take it off roading or anything like that. It's, it is more like a sport tour, street tour. But I mean less than seven grand. You're getting panniers, you're getting ride modes, dual disc brakes, adjustable suspension.

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 You know, it's pretty good. Yeah. So it's it is like a good it does look good. And I would be willing to go and try it again, you know, try a different one or different version of it to see if it if that was just like a busted just maybe just a busted bike. Yeah. You know, but yeah, I really just walked away.

00;07;40;21 - 00;07;59;10

 If that was me, like, that was not my favorite way to end the demo ride. So. So I noticed on here you have it. So you had squishy buttons and I want to just preface like I noticed this on, on the other bike the and I did like to like the buttons didn't have any feel or feedback. Oh yeah, yeah.

00;07;59;14 - 00;08;17;13

 I felt that on the ones I, I wrote as well. It seemed more prominent on this one the 650 than the other one. The other one. They were still soft, but like I was getting responses, you know. Okay, so, so just little things I noticed like that. But you're again, you're not going to get you're not buying a Porsche.

00;08;17;16 - 00;08;38;01

 So you know, it's but it is like for, seven grand. I think that's a great way for somebody to break into it with that, into that type of riding. Okay. Again and again, I really can't stress this enough. It comes with panniers, guys. And that's a really good those are that's a really good benefit because like an average set of panniers will set you back at least like 500 bucks minimum minimum.

00;08;38;01 - 00;08;55;27

 I mean, you're looking at like hard casing, you're probably looking like more like thousand eight-hundred bucks. Yeah. Especially on like a touring or adventure bike. And then it goes by water. You want to talk about your next one is Should I talk about one of mine? Um. Oh, I can just go through my parents. The one that I did, the first one I rode.

00;08;56;01 - 00;09;26;08

 And I actually think like from all the ones I got to ride and you have to say about the ones you rode, I personally think that this next one is like they're. It's what I would classify as their flagship. Okay. It was their 700 CLX sport. Yeah. So it's a 693 CC engine from there and it's pretty peppy for, you know, for like a 700 bike.

00;09;26;13 - 00;09;52;21

Yeah. Very height friendly. So I'm six foot. I didn't really I got on it. I didn't feel cramped necessarily. It fell a little closer to like the street triple just like my stance and size four from there maybe a little narrower but again, very height friendly for anybody. Dual disc brambles which come up pretty strong. So you're kidding me here, right?

00;09;52;27 - 00;10;10;28

Those are. Yeah, that's pretty nice. Um, like I said, it was very responsive and it was very sporty. I had I did have a lot of fun on that bike. I could just be in first gear, second gear and I could just open that throttle and the bike would just go, Yeah. Yes, it was. It was a lot of fun for that one.

00;10;10;28 - 00;10;31;07

And again, and this one you're looking at with the sport when you're looking around 70 $200, brand new, pretty pretty nice and accessible price. Yeah, that's really not bad. And then still, like on top of your upside down adjustable suspension and your dual disc Brembo brakes, you know, you're also getting rider modes as like an urban mode and like a sport mode.

00;10;31;11 - 00;10;53;24

Okay, I think they're urban. More modes like more like rain ish or like their standard. Yeah, sport mode was pretty fun. So but same kind of things like the, um, the buttons, like they were more responsive than the other one, but I was actually getting I could see that stuff was happening. Yeah. And they just had a little LED screen and or LCD, Right.

00;10;53;24 - 00;11;14;06

Yeah. I think I tft on those. No, this one it just had the, it had like the old digital one, like the whole Casio watch. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But it's not a tachometer and a gear indicator and your mileage or gas gas range or anything down there. Okay. And cruise control auto turn signals which I didn't get that until I got my triumph.

00;11;14;08 - 00;11;31;17

So. Yeah, yeah. And it's nice. It is a very nice feature to have, especially here and then you get used to it and then you get on a different bike and you're like, Oh shit, my blinker has been on for the past like ten miles. Yeah, yeah. See, that's a ride. Modes Cruise control Auto turn signals. This one I did have a lot of fun on.

00;11;31;19 - 00;11;48;26

You know if we're gonna talk like build quality versus packaging versus pricing and everything I mean this would be a tough one to turn down. Honestly, when you're looking in like that price range for bikes, especially brand new. And that's a really good intro like price range if you're on and it didn't look like a bad bike. Exactly.

00;11;49;01 - 00;12;11;03

Yeah, we have another picture, but here's your picture. And then here is the picture from manufacturer and it does look pretty good. I really like the look of it. Yeah. And it's kind of had that round headlights a really cool round led headlight. Yeah, it was it's I think that was a really fun bike and even the stock exhaust that sounded pretty good.

00;12;11;04 - 00;12;31;22

Yeah. And I felt like if I remember, if I remember right, I remember feeling like it had kind of like a modern cafe racer look to it. Yeah. Especially with that round the headlight which. No. Yeah, I agree. I thought, I thought it looked pretty good. I didn't get a chance to ride it, but I remember talking to a while there on the right and you seemed to I was really enjoy it.

00;12;31;22 - 00;12;46;00

And so yeah, that was a lot of fun. That would be a really fun like little. How did the how did the ride feel on it? It was a little buzzy, you know. Okay, I will say that, especially at the higher speeds. But I mean, come on, you're on a motorcycle. Yeah, from there. But no, it was it was fun.

00;12;46;00 - 00;13;07;10

I was it was just like gun through it and. Very cool. Yeah, very cool. You know, looking for a minute, you know, I suppose it was a good time. I did really actually enjoy that one. So I would, I would actually for someone looking into like this price range and say, hey, like I, you know, you got these brands and these brands and these kind of bikes, But consider this one because you are getting like quite a bit of tech.

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Yeah. And nothing like you're not getting like, you know, top of the line, like a crystal screen or whatever they call it, like, you know, but you are getting like some really cool stuff in there, like the bike makes a bike responsive and just really it just gives you some rider benefits. Okay. Yeah, that's very good to hear.

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And now I guess it's my turn, right? Yep. Okay. So I will also start with, oh, I don't know, I, I had a pretty decent experience on both my bikes, so I can't really say one was worth worse than the other. Yeah, but they were very different from one another because the first bike I wrote was their ibex 800 T, which is their adventure style bike.

00;13;49;08 - 00;14;10;03

So let me talk about that first. I got a picture of it right here somewhere. As you can see, it looks like a very run of the mill adventure bike. You know, it's even got the gold, the gold wheels, smooth wheels and yeah, a little tribute to not not an actual tribute, but it kind of reminds me a bit of a or in Africa twin.

00;14;10;03 - 00;14;32;27

As I say it looks a lot like an Africa twin just on that side profile with that with those color on the wheels. Yeah. So it reminded me a lot of that. But it looks better than it feels. And what I mean by that is this bike felt very, very plasticky in a lot of places and it's not necessarily bad thing, but it's their most expensive bike.

00;14;32;27 - 00;14;55;28

It starts at $10,500, so ten a half thousand dollars. But with that you also get a lot of features, right? So has got 94 horsepower, £56 ft of torque. So it's a fairly peppy engine, at least on paper. And I found that while I was doing research for this episode that the engine was actually used in a previous generation.

00;14;55;28 - 00;15;25;06

KTM 790. So it's it's got some pedigree there. Yeah. And I've never ridden the KTM, so I don't exactly know how that engine performs on the KTM. And if they do any kind of tuning or different like setup gearing and stuff for the specific bike. But one of the biggest things that stood out to me on the ride was that it feels like its powerband pulls off very quick once you once it reaches its peak torque and peak horsepower, like it gets up to speed just fine.

00;15;25;06 - 00;15;43;24

It's a very linear acceleration, just kind of almost feels like it's a straight line. Yeah, but once it gets up to that, to those high revs and you want to give it more, it just feels like it's kind of like just it just feels like it's almost like it doesn't want to give more, even though it feels like it probably can.

00;15;44;00 - 00;15;58;24

Yeah, if it just doesn't want to rev up like any higher, at least that's how it felt to me. Yeah. Do you think that might could also mean in the same boat with like the other bike I tried and maybe or some. It was a demo bike and it was just a little overused or something. I don't think so.

00;15;58;27 - 00;16;16;17

I don't think so because I didn't max out the throttle or anything. I had enough power to get up to highway speeds. Yeah, and it had more to give, but it just feels like it doesn't drop off in the sense that it doesn't feel like it's a mechanical issue or failure. I just feel like it's not tuned to like, keep going.

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It's just tuned to like very much drop at those high RPMs. Okay. It feels like it wants to give more. Yeah, but it just like, it just doesn't. Yeah. So I don't know, maybe it's like maybe. Maybe there's some kind of governor on there or something like that, but to me, that's kind of how it felt like. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

00;16;34;20 - 00;16;50;05

It's just kind of it was kind of unexpected because I kept expecting it to want it to accelerate more and more. Yeah, And the best way I can describe it is kind of, you know, when you get that throttle fully open, it kind of pulls pulls you back, pulls the bike back and you're like, trying to hold on.

00;16;50;06 - 00;17;10;00

Yeah. And then you reach your peak or you shift gears and it kind of goes back. Yeah, well, it goes, it goes. And you keep expecting it to, like, keep pulling, but then it just kind of stops. It just kind of stops falling. So it just feels like the power just drops off. I don't think it actually does, but it just feels yeah, feels that way.

00;17;10;00 - 00;17;30;15

And it did feel a little bit buzzy, especially at higher speeds, but not nothing too distracting unless you look at the mirrors. Those things were blurry and I could not see anything. Oh, I do remember that. Yeah. Oh, that. I totally forgot about this on like the Aventura. One of the mirrors actually came loose, so I couldn't, I didn't have a left rearview mirror.

00;17;30;17 - 00;17;51;26

Like, it was just. It was just hanging down, really. I was like, Oh, crap, that. But that was at speed. So it was a wind. Resistance had knocked it loose. And again, like a demo bike, you know. Yeah, that's fiddling with it. That's, I don't think that's indicative of like the bike itself. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. But I do remember like on the other one, the mirrors were a little buzzy, so it would be something you'd look at and probably want to look into to get some better mirrors.

00;17;51;26 - 00;18;17;18

Yeah, some aftermarket ones maybe. Yeah. And then but what I really liked about this, this bike is for that ten and a half thousand dollars, you're getting pretty much all the tech features that you'd see on like a 15 to $20000, like a European adventure bike or even the Japanese adventure bike. Like this thing had stuff on it that my triumph doesn't have on it, or that if you did four I'd be paying thousands of dollars.

00;18;17;18 - 00;18;36;00

Yeah, yeah. For you know, essentially five, five, $6,000 less. Yeah. And I'm going to go just quickly go through the list of all the features. So one, it had the spoke wheels on this one, which is nice. I can't remember if they were tubeless or not, but I'm pretty sure they probably are. For what kind of bike? I would imagine so, yeah.

00;18;36;03 - 00;19;00;22

Yeah. But it had lots of tech features, so I had riding modes. It had, uh, rain and sport. I don't remember if that off road, which I was kind of surprise about because it's that kind of bike. It is like an adventure bike, but I don't remember having an off road mode, but it did have riding modes, sport, Rain Street, it had Bluetooth connectivity built in.

00;19;00;22 - 00;19;22;22

You can connect it to their moto app. They can get on your phone at a nice TFT It had cruise control. It had, you know, traction control, A, B corner. ABS Yeah. All of those features that you're kind of used to seeing on a much higher end bike, um, this seems less than 12 grand, but it's, this thing is less than 12 grand, but also a very nice TFT layout.

00;19;22;22 - 00;19;46;22

Actually, I really like the TFT and it's huge. It was a seven inch TFT, which is like the same as my triumph. And it actually I actually felt like I'd made better use of the space that I had on the TFT than the Triumph did. Yeah, because you've heard me complain about it before that I feel like there's a lot of empty space and I feel like I could have maybe done a little bit more work, more to drive, could have done a little bit more of their tests on that.

00;19;46;26 - 00;20;12;08

It had heated grips. It had a heated seat, right? Oh, my. I forgot about that. Right. Yeah. Like it had cruise control. Like it has all of these features that you would see in like a $20,000 bike. Yeah. On something that costs $10,000, which is incredible. And I think if you had a fully adjustable suspension front and back and I think this is and so I've got to keep going over the features here.

00;20;12;10 - 00;20;35;27

It had luggage racks already pre-installed. You just don't come with the panniers but it had the space forum already there. So it just came with like so many of this, these different features that actually makes it a really, really good like package for the price. Because all of these features, I mean, they're very convenient to have on an adventure bike, right?

00;20;35;29 - 00;20;53;15

They're super convenient and which I commend them for that. That is really nice. There's a really nice set of features to put on a bike like that. Yeah. And I, I think it looks cool too. I really like that front end with the twin lights and like where it comes like with the crash bars it looks very like.

00;20;53;17 - 00;21;17;00

Yeah. Oh and that's, that's the other thing I forgot to mention. It does come with a crash bar. Some engine guards, some tank guards, skid plate even comes with a quick shifter. Oh, okay. Yeah, it comes with a quick shifter. My bike doesn't have a quick shifter. You're like the shifter, and it's more expensive than these ones. This one had a USB port right up front, which I feel like most manufacturers should do at this point.

00;21;17;03 - 00;21;38;05

Yeah, like right up front. So you can plug in your phone or whatever. That's really nice. Yeah. So overall, just very nice package, but not all good things. But there are some compromises. Yes. So you said it was the it was the power was the issue, right. Yeah. So the power band just felt like, like I said, one that felt very linear.

00;21;38;05 - 00;22;05;27

There wasn't really much like I wouldn't say was like the funnest bike to ride. Okay, maybe. I mean, I'm probably spoiled, you know, riding my tiger and stuff and watch playing crank, which is just phenomenal. But it just felt like pretty linear and stuff, which I think for if you're a newer writer or just someone that wants like a bike that just is very predictable and just does what it's supposed to, I think that's a very that can be a very good thing.

00;22;06;00 - 00;22;20;17

Yeah. And I guess you know where it's going to end up. Yeah. And I feel like for like, you know, I've had a friend who says like, oh, I'd love to get into motorcycles, but a cost and be like, I want a bike that could do everything for you guys have, you know, And yeah, here you go man.

00;22;20;17 - 00;22;41;01

Less like less than 11 grand even. Like there is that option, you know, it's like, I wouldn't even I wouldn't say a compromise is the right word because you're getting a lot. You get in a lot, a lot of bike with like if a well-known engine, you know. And so I would say I really do want to say compromise.

00;22;41;01 - 00;23;00;10

But like like I would say you're not getting like, oh, I can't think of a word for it. You're getting a good package. You're getting a really good package. I don't know if it's the most fun package, but it's a very good package. And consider our height and weight. Yeah, I mean, like, maybe there's somebody a little shorter or doesn't weigh as much as we do.

00;23;00;10 - 00;23;20;25

I don't know if I would say for shorter people. Oh, best is a pretty tall bike based on who weighs less than us. Yeah, and it's not super either. It's £509. Okay. Which is a little bit heavier than my tiger. Yeah, it has more power than my tiger. But like I said, that power didn't feel like. Like it just feels like.

00;23;20;28 - 00;23;38;01

It just feels like it has more, but it doesn't want to give more. So I'm trying again. Honestly. Yeah. I don't know if it's just tuned weird or something or what's affecting it, but like I said, it just feels like, you know, if you if you have a graph here's like your power band and it's just going up, up, up, up, up.

00;23;38;03 - 00;24;00;21

And then it just kind of like it just, it just kind of stops. It's like, Nah, I'm good. That's. That's all I got. Yeah. Instead of like, Yeah, let's just really push this thing. Let's redline it all the way and feel it. Like, want to take off from. Yeah. It didn't, it didn't have that kind of feeling. And then my other big thing on that is I felt the brakes were very inconsistent and squishy.

00;24;00;21 - 00;24;26;09

It did not have Brembo brakes and one something some not Brembo snub rumbles, which I mean Brahmas are great, but also like other brands of brakes and lots of different options and stuff. But it just felt like very squishy and very inconsistent, especially the rear brake. And even though if it was putting in like any effort, it maybe like 10% of the effort, definitely the front brake is where it's at.

00;24;26;14 - 00;24;42;04

But even though even the front brake just felt like, I don't know, I just it just didn't feel like it had a lot of bite, too. You really had to, like, push it or clamp it down to get it to stop, especially at higher speeds. Yeah. And it didn't feel like it was a very linear progression on the brake.

00;24;42;06 - 00;24;58;14

It felt like you're squishing, you're squishing, you can feel it slowing down and you expect it to keep slowing down more. But then it was just kind of like, Nope, it's not there yet. It's not there. Okay, now it's stopping faster. So I don't know, maybe like, like you said, maybe it was part of being a demo bike.

00;24;58;14 - 00;25;14;05

Maybe just got. Yeah. And I don't want to, like, let that be like an all out excuse for everything we've noticed, you know? But I mean, at the same time, these, these bikes are going like all over the country. Yeah. So there was probably that. So I notice something about one of the ibex to someone who dropped it.

00;25;14;08 - 00;25;32;08

Oh, really? Fastpass roll scratched up. Oh, I didn't notice that. So but yeah, so that's, that's kind of like what I felt about the braking on. It just felt a little bit inconsistent. Our biggest thing is like the seat one. It was not comfortable at all. It feels it feels good to the touch, if you like, poke it with your finger.

00;25;32;11 - 00;25;49;28

But if you were to actually sit on it, I don't feel like it really spreads the weight that well, I was feeling like I was getting a sore ass on just riding around the neighborhood. I'm just like, okay, they need a little bit more cushioning or making it feel like less fun. I did. I did. I don't think I mentioned that.

00;25;50;00 - 00;26;13;13

Yeah, because the same thing for the 700 CLX. I don't know if I remember the seat on the 650. It doesn't nothing. It stands out in the memory from that. There was so much going on with that. But yes, so the seat was very uncomfortable. I didn't like it. If you got this bike, I don't know. Maybe. Maybe your lighter or maybe your ass shape is different, so maybe you'll be okay.

00;26;13;15 - 00;26;35;25

But it did not. It was not for me. Yeah. And then this is my gripe from pretty much anything that's taking on motorcycles, cars, or anything is that you had to dig through menus to turn on a lot of the features. See, I think Cruise Control had its own button, which is great, but if you want to turn on heated grips, you've got to like go to the menu.

00;26;35;25 - 00;26;55;25

You got to like hold the button down to go into the menu. You have to scroll down, turn it on, click it off. It was weird. It had about like two or three button clicks before you can actually turn on some of those features, which I hate. I absolutely hate. I think if you're going to have a feature like that, you need to have a button right up front to turn it on.

00;26;55;25 - 00;27;11;14

Like, Yeah, our Triumph's heater grips. They've got a button right there. Mine's got a heated sea button, even though I don't have a heated seat. But it's got one there because the pro has it. It's just best to keep things simple. It really is. And not only because it like, lowers the number of clicks you have to do.

00;27;11;18 - 00;27;31;22

Yeah. If you're riding along at higher speeds, you know, you want to be paying attention to the road. You don't want to be digging through menus, trying to figure out how to turn on your heated grips. Yeah, or heated seat because. Because you want to be paying attention to the road. Yeah. And digging through menus and the motorcycle just does not does not sound very appealing to me.

00;27;31;24 - 00;27;50;07

No. And I know we mentioned that that was the weirdest thing to me too, because I was thinking at the same time, like saying, okay, like, okay, maybe for whatever reason you want your controls to be on the screen and it shouldn't have to, especially when you're riding, you shouldn't have to be digging through menus. Exactly. And at the very least, we wanted it to be a part of your screen.

00;27;50;07 - 00;28;10;03

Just have it like have an icon on the main screen where you can just move one the arrows over highlights in your head. Okay. Exactly. This, you know, and when you go into the menu, it wasn't even the first like option that popped up. It's like, oh, here's the features. You can turn off and on real quick. You have to actually, like go into the menu, pops into the rating modes first.

00;28;10;03 - 00;28;29;11

You have to like back, go back, scroll down and then click over and then click okay. And that's way too many steps. It's like you're only save option is to get off the road and stop. And I mean, not necessarily, but yeah, it does, it does lower like it does distract you from paying attention to you don't even for a minute.

00;28;29;12 - 00;28;56;07

I mean, yeah, I wouldn't want anybody having to fiddle like with their. No. Especially if you're unfamiliar with it. Like it. It's just not it's just not a good thing. I don't think it's good at all to, to have features like that. Yeah. And the other thing was, and these kind of like all convenience features, it did have an adjustable windscreen, but it was, oh, I've been in the asked to adjust because I'm going to try to describe this to our listeners the best I can.

00;28;56;07 - 00;29;22;02

But if you're watching this on YouTube, you can see me fiddle with my hands. So in order to do it, there's two big knobs on each side of the windscreen. You have to loosen up both manually, both of them, and then you can move it up and down and then tighten it back up so it doesn't move for the guy showing us that it took a while, even if he was struggling a little bit, which I find really annoying because one, you can't adjust that on the go.

00;29;22;04 - 00;29;38;08

You have to stop, adjust it and then get going and then you're like, Crap, I got a too low, I got a too high. I've got to stop again. Just sit or I like losing one side, losing one step, and then you're taking your hands off the bar once again are distracted from the right. Yeah, exactly. And it was just and they were very tight.

00;29;38;08 - 00;29;59;00

They were not very good knobs. Yeah. And they just did not feel like I'm just like, okay, come on. There's got to be an easier way to do this. Triumph on their tigers. Does it? Great. You just literally push it and move it up and down like let go and it clamps back into place. Or you can go balls out like BMW and just kind of like park one and just have a move up and down.

00;29;59;00 - 00;30;17;27

I don't remember how the 1200 Tiger 1200 had it. I don't know. I think it's still I think it was. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a much, much easier feature and I feel like triumphs or at least on my tiger, it's even less complicated because it's just held on by two screws. Yeah. With springs on them that need to clamp down.

00;30;17;29 - 00;30;35;14

I feel like I'll, I'll just should have that. If you're not going to have the electronics on, you might as well just have one that you can adjust with one hand. Yeah. It's just, otherwise it just seems like. Yeah. It's so much effort. Yeah. That's I didn't see that when the guys as far as keep my mouth shut, I was kind of like, that's not that's fucking stupid.

00;30;35;15 - 00;30;55;25

Yeah, exactly. But overall, pretty good bike. Yeah, I would say it's a pretty good bike, mainly because of all the features that you get for that, for that price. You know. Yeah, for sure. And then the other bike I rode is their 450 SS which I got a picture of right here. That's the one that David got. Okay, awesome.

00;30;56;00 - 00;31;17;00

David, this is your bike. Say some things about it. So hopefully that doesn't make you upset. And it was a fine bike. It was a sports bike and I'm not a sports bike rider, but I was very curious to try it out because I didn't really have that many opportunities to try really aggressive, fully faired sports bikes. Um, in my riding.

00;31;17;02 - 00;31;35;19

Yeah. Career since I started riding, yeah, I've sat on a few but never really ridden. Once I was like, okay, you know, I kind of want to give this a try and so I can't really, like, compare it to anything else other than maybe, um, I don't know. I don't think I've ever wrote a naked bike that really.

00;31;35;21 - 00;31;59;11

Yeah, I've compares to that. You've got three triple ones. Yeah. Yeah. And the other one. But even that one, I didn't sit on this for 50, so I was very like it is a pretty aggressive. It wasn't aggressive, it was a very tucked in. Yeah. Like legs bent. This is more like Sportbike. Yeah. Which I was like, oh, this is not the most this is not the most comfortable position for me.

00;31;59;11 - 00;32;23;13

I'm six foot one such low. It did feel a little bit cramped. Yeah, sitting on it. But overall I'd say a sport bike felt cramped coming from an adventure bike. Oh, crazy right? But it was. I did enjoy riding a bike. I did Max like Max out the throttle on that as well. It does have a 450 CC engine, 50 horsepower, £29 feet of torque.

00;32;23;13 - 00;32;40;04

So fairly small displacement, but yeah, it's a small displacement bike, but it's not a very good bit of pep to it. Yeah. And it picked up speed pretty well, but it also had kind of like the very linear acceleration that the IBEX has. I wonder if this is going to be the case across all these all these bikes.

00;32;40;04 - 00;33;04;25

Maybe. But it did have Brembo brakes. It didn't have a TFT with riding modes like Sport and and Street. I think those are the two and yeah. And I have a here once again it did not have a mode button and that was the case for the IBEX as well. You had to dig through menus to turn on the mode.

00;33;04;28 - 00;33;25;11

So that's interesting because it's like the 700, it had a switch for the mode, like on the handlebar, you know, So it's like it was very like streamlined for that. So and see, I wonder if they did that because you said that one didn't have a TFT, so maybe you can really have like an extended menu selection. Yeah, like a TFT could.

00;33;25;18 - 00;33;44;05

So they maybe figured like, oh, you know, they can just turn it on. Yeah. Before they ride. But sometimes it's nice to be able to switch those things on the fly because road conditions might change, maybe just kind of relax a little bit and not have the bike like jerk as much or have as much as aggressive acceleration and things like that.

00;33;44;13 - 00;34;01;20

And that gives you menus is just a pain in the ass to do. I always but between the two bikes I will say like what I really like between both of them is their TFT except for the digging through menus. The layout on the was really good. There was some very cool things where you can see a lot of information.

00;34;01;20 - 00;34;18;29

It looks pretty clean. Yeah, it looks very clean. You could see like your, like oil or service life, like time till next oil change, I think. I think one of them had like even the, like a lap or track timer like that was on the 450 and stuff. So it was a pretty extensive like feature set on the.

00;34;18;29 - 00;34;38;27

TFT. Yeah, it's just annoying that you had to dig to access some of the, some of the things you should have access to on the fly. Yeah, No, sure. So yeah, I, I wanted to try the 450 so we don't have time. Yeah. You snag that before I could get on it, but not before small by eight, you know, 450.

00;34;38;29 - 00;34;55;08

I think that that would be like a really fun around town bike, you know, probably a really good first bike for, you know, it's a sport for many once again like a sport bike and yeah yeah I agree You know I don't know what their what they're like compared to a like a ninja or LA 3DS or something.

00;34;55;08 - 00;35;12;18

So I think I don't even, I don't know anything about sport, bike displacement and stuff. Yeah. I'm not, I don't know if how I would compare to like the R three or, or a ninja 400 or. Yeah. And I think that's a kind of a good segway to talk about like, you know, the competition and things like that.

00;35;12;21 - 00;35;33;09

Like, yes, these bikes are cheap. Yes. These bikes have a lot of features for their price. But also there is other options there and a lot of them you'll see probably come from those Japanese manufacturers, Naha, they got Kawasaki, you got Suzuki, you just have like that name behind them. Yeah, they do have that name. Did you have that pedigree behind them?

00;35;33;09 - 00;35;57;11

The four known like reliability parts, accessibility dealer accessibility, which I think is very nice to have. If you're a new rider and you need to get service on, you need to get a party to do something to your bike to be able to like pop in. I mean, there's a Honda, there's like five Honda dealers around here. Yeah, he can pop into, which I think is very nice to have to have.

00;35;57;13 - 00;36;20;29

Plus you kind of get that brand reputation like, yeah, a Honda. We know they're reliable. We know that they will You you you'll forget to change oil on them they'll run no problem Honda just makes reliable surf Kawasaki Suzuki. They all make really reliable things. So is Yamaha. Japanese manufacturers are really good at what they do. Yeah, they think that's.

00;36;21;05 - 00;36;43;24

I mean, like my first bike, the CB 500 x and I think cause as much as that 650 adventurer just pretty much yeah. That have more features than my CB the CBU as a very basic bike. Yeah I think super basic bike overall they like in terms of like their features or anything that would be pretty comparable for like what they.

00;36;44;00 - 00;37;08;06

Yeah. The Commodore I think would have been a little bit heavier. Yeah. A little bit more fairing to it as well. But like I said before, I would honestly be okay to like try that one again to see if it was like just, just that specific, like, you know, that makes sense. And I was just going to say too, like, I'm actually really glad there's something new in the U.S. market.

00;37;08;11 - 00;37;28;20

Oh, yeah. I don't like it almost feels like for affordable or more approachable bikes think things have been kind of stagnated. Yeah, like we got like the Triumph Trident in kind of we totally forgot. Triumph just announced new bikes. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Oh, this is. We like we're talking about bikes already. We skipped our news segment, but.

00;37;28;20 - 00;37;42;22

Well, let's get back to that towards the end of the episode. Serious keeping guys on your toes. Yeah I'm sure your opinion we'll talk more about it next year so but no I do think it's good that C.F. Motos like has come to the U.S. because they're they're not a new brand. They've been around that was new to the U.S..

00;37;42;22 - 00;38;02;15

Yeah exactly. So I'm curious to see like how they're going to do here. I think those features like, yeah, okay, you're not getting like the name or like the, you know, P recognition. I think it doesn't matter what you have, if you have Honda, anything, your lawnmower, your leaf blower, you know. Yeah, whatever it is, it's like, it's like nothing.

00;38;02;15 - 00;38;26;03

It's just going to run with or without oil, you know, it's not good for it. But I think so. And honestly, that's just that's just the case. Even like we have European bikes, British bikes, and even they don't come close to being as reliable as any of the Hondas probably. Yeah. So like and that's just a fact. We just accept that because I mean, they're still good times are still very reliable bikes.

00;38;26;09 - 00;38;46;09

A lot of bikes are pretty reliable. Yeah, but those Japanese bikes, they're just, they're just a little extra. Yeah. Especially the Hondas. Yeah. That's, you know, and so like but no, I think if you're weighing benefits and if people, if writers do like want some of those creature comforts, yeah. You can get them without breaking the bank. Oh yeah.

00;38;46;15 - 00;39;12;24

Which I think is fantastic. And that's kind of what I wrote here in my well like overall impressions is that basically that I think that I'm glad to see these cheaper options on the market because I hope I'm hoping that having these kinds of options, having cheaper motorcycles available, gets more people interested in riding and allows them to buy or to buy a bike, even if it's their first bike.

00;39;12;24 - 00;39;35;17

And you don't want your first bike to be crazy expensive, it's okay to get a cheaper one. Cause chances are you might drop it, you might do something to it. You're learning. And then once you figure out like, Oh, hey, you know, I kind of need something more than you realize. Like, I want a new bike. Yeah, but I think it's great that there is something that's brilliant that could potentially bring more riders onto the road, which is always a good thing.

00;39;35;17 - 00;39;56;13

Everyone should ride a motorcycle. They're fantastic. And they have a lot of. Yeah, and they have a lot of features for the price. But like I said, this price does have some compromises and I think of the biggest things that stood out to me is I'm a very pokey and touchy person when it comes to like cars, bikes and anything like that.

00;39;56;13 - 00;40;15;01

Yeah, you can kind of feel like a little bit of a cheaper quality, very plasticky bits, a lot of places matter of poking like the headlight and it feels like it was a little bit lower grade, like maybe little push your little squishier plastic and stuff. And I just think those are some of the cost cutting measures. The IBEX was very plastic.

00;40;15;01 - 00;40;47;17

I don't remember like I think the tank might be metal deep inside somewhere, but it was not metal on the outside. And I just had like a lot of the fairings and things like that. And then I was just very yeah, it just, it just felt kind of cheap ish. Yeah. With the, the fit and finish and same goes with the 450 SS it had this like kind of fake plastic carbon fiber cover and I remember like dragging my like hand or just nail across on an accident actually left like a little bit of a scratch.

00;40;47;19 - 00;41;04;11

Oh yeah. On and I was just like, oh that's not good. I feel like, like if I put enough pressure with my nail on, there were actually like, leave an indent in the thing. And I was like, yeah, I don't, I don't know. That's this something could be like could be worked on a little bit. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

00;41;04;11 - 00;41;25;17

No I know, I agree. And that's why I says I'm, I'm hoping that they can like do well over here and, and you know, maybe they'll learn some lessons Like what us consumers for bikes or I'm used to I don't know I don't know what if what would be different here versus there. And like I said that was just the thought I had is like, honestly, like, I'm just glad you guys are mixing it up a little bit.

00;41;25;19 - 00;41;50;17

Yeah. So and, and if the lower price of bring more riders on the road that's that's very good. Yeah. Yeah that's and that fit and finish the reason I bring up is because with similarly priced like Japanese bikes like even my Honda, my first bike that I had, I felt like I had like, like it was tightened down a little bit more like the fairings felt like a little bit tighter.

00;41;50;19 - 00;42;10;18

A headlight felt like it was more solidly like put in there, just like little touches like that. Yeah, just felt better. But it didn't have as many features as these ones. So there's that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I don't have anything else really to say because I'm pretty much agreeing with you on that one, you know? So they're gotten better.

00;42;10;18 - 00;42;33;26

Agree with me. So you. No, I guess again, David, I'm curious to hear what you what you think of your bike. Congratulations, by the way. Yeah, well, it's always funny. A motorcycle, especially a new one. So I hope you're safe and that you're having fun. Yeah. And please do let us know what you think of it. Yeah. You also heard what we've had to say about it.

00;42;33;26 - 00;42;52;10

And so I would say, anyway, should just go out and try to give this. Give this brand look, if you had a better experience on them or if you have a command, you love it, feel free to call us out. We don't know. We just barely tried them out. I knew if you tell us that, hey, you know, I've had this bike for X amount of time and I really love it.

00;42;52;13 - 00;43;15;27

Yeah, let us know. Let us know what you love about it. Let us know, like, how you made it fit better to your to kind of your your riding style, your standard. Because each one of us has different preferences, different kinds of things we look for in a motorcycle. Yeah. And right before we finish, let's talk about the new the new Triumph's real quick.

00;43;15;28 - 00;43;41;19

Yeah. Segue Yeah, Segue. So if you've been listening to this since day one, which thank you. By the way, I feel free to leave us some feedback and some reviews on Spotify, Apple, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to That would be awesome. It's really cool, but you would know, you know, that we wrote Triumph's Wired. No way.

00;43;41;21 - 00;44;03;05

Yeah. No. When you go, Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. So we ride Triumph's, We love our triumphs and triumph. Just announced a pair of new entry level motorcycles. So you got the speed. 400 and the scrambler. 400 is really going at it. I know. He's just. He's just vibing. And the Scrambler 400 x, Do you want to talk about the scrambler?

00;44;03;05 - 00;44;52;02

Yeah. Yeah. So? Yeah, 400 X, It's. We don't really have prices or anything yet, but, you know, we're looking at like a 398CC engine and I think see the max, see what we've got here. So Max Power, we're looking at a 39.5 horsepower, 8000 RPM and then about 27.7 foot lbs of torque liquid cooled, all that fun stuff and it's a six speed which you know and like we're we were talking about that unlike the the St twin street twin you know had the five years so these are come with six gears the scrambler is going to be a little bit taller than the speed 400.

00;44;52;03 - 00;45;14;24

Yep it sells cast wheels so it is going to be more just like that scrambler esthetic. Yeah, I yeah, I mean, that's a little bit higher so I feel like it. You have potentially got some clearance off road light. Yeah. Like hit some fire roads, maybe a but nothing crazy enough and wild and immediate jumps on it. Yeah You know you got your the exhaust is still pointed back up like an adventure bike and you know from there.

00;45;14;24 - 00;45;33;24

And it is a single cylinder engine. Yes. It's kind of a first I don't know if it's a first for triumph, but among their modern bikes, it's it's the only it's something different. Yeah. It's something, you know, and it's what's really cool about it. It's a single cylinder, but they kind of dress it up to look like a classic Bonneville, you know, So look like a classic Bonneville engine.

00;45;33;24 - 00;45;56;25

And we don't have really a picture, but it's not they're not Bonneville. They're just dressed to look like it there. It's online and they're partnering with a is an Indian company called I think it's like Bahia or something. Yeah B I J I A. I don't remember. I'm I have to double check on that. But yeah, they are an Indian manufacturer.

00;45;56;25 - 00;46;25;11

They kind of work with other manufacturers of bikes and also like engines and this kind of like basically it's Triumph's entry into this very by a that's what it is so by Bajaj B A J A J So yeah, however you say that and it says on cycle world here that they also make some engines for KTM, a few other manufacturers.

00;46;25;11 - 00;46;51;22

So it's, it's, it's an Indian factory and that's, that's how they handle these bikes which are coming to the US right. To be. No I don't think they've officially officially announced but triumph America did share them and stuff which I feel like is kind of a safe bet. Okay. But they will probably come to the U.S. and these are meant to compete with like the KTM 390, the BMW 310 those very lower and the entry level bikes.

00;46;51;22 - 00;47;09;21

And I feel like some of those might even compete with like the Royal Enfield. So you have quite that like similar classic looked at Anfield south, but I can definitely see them like kind of pulling from their market a little bit. Yeah, you can see it looks like a Bonneville engine with the scrambler if you know, again, if you've been listening, you know, I like my scrambler.

00;47;09;23 - 00;47;35;09

So there and I just think that with that lighter displacement and just like on a smaller bike, it might be a little bit more fun off road if, say, if you were like, swap out for some spoked wheels on there. Yeah. And it's light and yeah, they're really light wheels are what we think I saw it on here I think that was a close like 400 or something like it really wasn't, it was not a lot.

00;47;35;09 - 00;48;04;18

Yeah. I found it right here. What? Wait. Yes. £395. Excellent. So. And I believe that they. What I think is great is they, they actually have like traction control. Yeah. And abs and a lot of those things stuck which is really nice for that price point and especially like the traction control helps and could improve safety. And also there's a really cool picture for those that are watching.

00;48;04;21 - 00;48;23;21

Here it is on my iPad. Yeah, there we go. It's actually their dashboard, which I think which is, Oh, my God. Come on. We almost made it entire process. I'm going to like this. Like, look at this. Yeah, that's a cool little setup. It's like a mix of analog and digital put together. Just look at that Casio watch screen on it.

00;48;23;23 - 00;48;51;24

But I like that setup. That's LCD. Yeah, but that's a that's a good looking layout. No, I like, I like that. It's kind of like the, uh, the, like modern retro mix between the two. So you talked about the, I would say really quick too. I still like that. That's not a bad dash, but I would still think these bikes would just be immensely improved with like those iconic twin analogs with a little LCD in the middle like they do on the bottom though.

00;48;51;24 - 00;49;10;02

Oh yeah, that would that would look good. That's probably the best setup that Triumph has on those kind classic bikes. This look good? Yeah. Um, no, I'm, um. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to try these out when they get them here in the States. Yeah, I want to find out more about them. Yeah, I want to kind of, because I think they just look.

00;49;10;09 - 00;49;33;15

They just look very good for, for like, the price. And hopefully if going off the competition, the KTM 390, the BMW 310 they cost less than six grand, right? Yeah. Okay. So if these match that so once we get some pricing info. Yeah. Yeah. So forget what we said about C.F. Moto, buy these because they're not going to scale this is getting.

00;49;33;17 - 00;49;58;25

But yeah, these are I mean they look like great little bikes, They got shows show a style suspension that fits. Yeah. Oh show them necessarily actually two there was also the the service interval is still 10,000 miles which is fantastic and I don't know why mine is only 6000 miles. It pisses me off like I'm glad I have an adventure bike.

00;49;58;25 - 00;50;20;09

These should have the highest. Yeah, but service intervals. Yeah. Overall, I mean, between the scrambler X and like, the speed 400. I mean, these just. They look like again. I hope they're going to be nice. Yeah. Yeah, they look like Triumph's, you know, like you can even take a classic looking bike for what we hope will be a lower price.

00;50;20;10 - 00;50;42;19

Yeah, The speed 400 also has preload adjustable suspension. That's nice. In the back. The front doesn't say if it's adjustable or not. I think at that price price point, it might not be. Yeah, maybe the scrambler might. Just because it's road. The scramble also has switchable abs, which I think is very good for us. Which is. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess we can.

00;50;42;19 - 00;51;00;16

Well, we'll just have to keep you guys in the loop as we find out. Yeah. As we get more information on this. And I guess we'll find out more in the fall or coming out in January. Yeah. Q1 of 2024. So. Okay. Yeah. Anywhere from January to March. March, Yes. We'll find well, hopefully we'll get a chance to write them.

00;51;00;21 - 00;51;24;23

Yeah. I printed adjustment on the rear two. Oh and I think their engines are basically the exact same. Yeah. It's just the styling. The scrambler basically has a bit different suspension. It sits higher. It's got a skid plate on that higher exhaust. Higher exhaust. You can toggle abs on and off while the speed for I'm just more of a run of the mill street bike.

00;51;24;29 - 00;51;49;25

Yeah. So I'm looking forward to really seeing how, like trying these out and seeing how who knows man maybe that maybe the scrambler 400 will be a an actual usable dual sport, but and look in the part. Yeah. If it's cheap enough, why not? I can have two scramblers that look very much the same. Think. Oh, my. My scrambler had a baby, so.

00;51;49;25 - 00;52;06;29

And I think that's pretty much all we have to say today. I think so, yeah. We'll wrap up by saying this. We went on the ride a couple of weeks ago and I had a sheep. Oh, you should put on Instagram. I should put that on my. And on the Instagram. I did not go down. I did not even get any sheep that's on me.

00;52;07;01 - 00;52;24;24

The bike stayed up. I'm fine. The bike's fine. I don't know if the sheep is fine because I it basically ran into my boot and I kicked the shit of its head going out like 45, 50 miles an hour. And oh man, it might have brain damage at this point. I think for our next episode, I'll tell them my experience.

00;52;24;24 - 00;52;44;28

Like my, my view of it, because that was hilarious. So, so this is the take away from this episode by motorcycles. Try motorcycles before you buy them because you never know how they feel. And second, pay attention to the god damn road because a sheep might decide to run across it. Whether you're looking at another sheep for just one second.

00;52;45;04 - 00;53;02;04

To be fair, the other sheep was a cute baby sheep. I know it was a baby sheep with a mom. I like how you look at that. It's the other one that had to be an asshole and run across the road and get kicked. I don't know what happened in the next episode. Well, I'll tell them my my perspective, because this will just be like a straight up cold open.

00;53;02;04 - 00;53;21;01

Not even an intro. Just like the one time you had a sheep. Yeah. All right. Well, anyways, thanks you guys so much for listening. Like I said, feel free to send us emails and comments. If you're watching this on YouTube, give us some feedback. If you hate us, let us know if if we're getting haters. I think that's success.

00;53;21;01 - 00;53;41;24

That's success right there. Mike, I know you said you couldn't find we had a new comment on the YouTube. I found the email for it. But yeah, yeah, it looks like it didn't go up. But no, Ryan, we do. We do like your feedback, you know, and the discussion for it. Basically I, I'm just going to read it cause it was out there.

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I don't know why it's not showing up. I wonder if you delete it. Yeah, but you know but that's okay either way. But he says like I'm not sold on electric bikes, although within the next. Yeah, yeah. Within the next five years I'll probably get one strictly for city commuting. But I think you guys are a little bit off for what the current tech can do.

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Xero's Top end bikes boast 187 mile range, which would easily get you the 100 miles you were talking about, even even with hills. So yeah, I think no, I think I think that's that's fair feedback. I think I think we incorrectly quoted like 150 or something like that. Oh maybe. But I think more for us on our point to that would be like us don't know, like with the weather, like what's going to affect the battery.

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But no he's he's got some good points I especially thought that he commuting Yeah there's that's a very Yeah that's a very fair point but yeah thanks thank you for that comment. And uh, yeah sometimes we try to fact check ourselves and make sure we're, we have all the right stuff. But yeah, sometimes we do. Yeah, we do make a little mistake here and there not correct.

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So for us, we'll look at it. Yeah, definitely. Just call us out on our bullshit if you feel like you need to, that's totally fine. Um, yeah, but I do agree with Ryan that, yeah, electric bikes are amazing for city, right? Yeah. Yeah. And by no means are they. Are they short coming for anything? No, It's just like, you know, we're just getting more into like, oh, we like the combustion, the revs and all that stuff.

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But no, it was I really like getting the feedback, whether they agree or disagree. So I don't you can, you can hurt my feelings, hurt myself since I live for it. And so that way we no way we were feeling something so we know we're alive. So that's just kidding. Anyways, but all right, thank you guys so much for listening.

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And should us and email follow us on social media and brain safe. Yeah.